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Lawler · 02-21-2014, 11:46 AM

Mark and Richard,
Thank you bunches for taking the time to respond. It is greatly appreciated. I am curious, in my research, I have read the site noted above (thank you Richard) in the past and the link above.
However, I don't understand how their notations add up or what they always specify? I was researching Raja Puri and found this (sorry, long copy/paste, but you will see what I mean below the paste):

RAJA PURI

DESCRIPTION:
A very popular sturdy plant originating in India and becoming a favorite around the world. Due to the rapid growth and delicious taste of these 3/4 size fruit as well as cool tolerance they have won the hearts (and taste buds) of thousands. (001) (010) (014) This tasty banana is very cold hardy, and the leaves will not turn yellow even with a light frosting. The leaves sometimes grow three feet wide, and the plant will grow and produce even in the poorest of soils. It is totally green with no red markings whatsoever. The plant is highly wind resistant and will not blow over, even in violent storms. Native to India and Pakistan. (003) An outstanding variety which can handle the wind and cold. It quickly produces a medium bunch of sweet, high quality fruit. (005) A vigorous dessert variety from India which withstands wind, cold, adverse conditions, and provides small to medium bunches of sweet, fine flavored fruit. For both its adaptability and the quality of the fruit, this is an outstanding variety. (007) Semi-hardy, producing short, good-quality fruits. Indian Group (009) A tough and cold hardy plant from India that produces medium size sweet bananas (063) This is an Indian cultivar said by some to be India's favourite banana but this is something of an exaggeration, a bit like saying the UK's favourite cherry is the Mazzard. I have yet to find anyone in India who has heard of it. Nevertheless, Rajapuri is a semi-dwarf plant otherwise similar to a rather rare Indian cultivar called Nendra Padaththi. It was once thought that 'Rajapuri' derived by mutation from Nendra Padaththi but this now seems not to be the case. It is possible that Rajapuri itself is simply very restricted in its occurrence in India. Despite the fact that it seems to originate in south India its main claim to fame is its cold tolerance. [O]ne of the most cold tolerant bananas bearing edible fruit. If it is possible to fruit a banana outdoors in the UK, and they are not likely to be as flavoursome as those from the supermarket, it is likely that it will be 'Rajapuri' or 'Orinoco'. In the USA, mature leaves of Rajapuri have been reported to be hardy to 32 degF) with wind although emerging leaves are damaged by wind and temperatures lower than about [39 degF}. (011) One of India's favorites! [R]elatively cold hardy and wind resistant. Very sweet med. sized fruit. Easy to grow and great tasting!! First choice for landscaping (030) Popular for tropical landscaping, this is one of India's favorite tasting variety. Its yellow fruit is medium sized and very sweet. Wind resistant due to its strong construction, this somewhat cold hardy variety. (031) This plant that originated from India is a first choice for landscaping. The plant is totally green, has a very thick stem and stands up very well to wind. The leaves are wider than those of most bananas growing up to 3 feet wide. It is the best plant to grow in marginal areas or where a grower does not intend to put much care into the cultivation of bananas. The heads of fruit are of moderate size with medium sized fruit that are very sweet. (032) [O]ne of the most durable and easy to grow bananas. This stout trunked plant grows to 9 feet and is very wind resistant. The 6 inch fruit is very sweet and is a favorite in India. (039) A vigorous dessert variety from India which withstands wind, cold, adverse conditions, and provides small-to-medium bunches of sweet fine flavored fruit. For both its adaptability and the quality of the fruit, this is an outstanding variety. (047) Small fruit with sweet, tasty flesh in small bunches. Tolerates cold and wind well (052) [A] sweet dessert banana with smooth and creamy flesh. It is a hardy variety resistant to disease, nematode and corm borer attack, and can survive a light frost with leaves intact. The plant ... is very wind resistant. Fruit size and production is medium, however stock will bear in less than one year. Rajapuri is one of the favorite bananas of India and an excellent choice for the dooryard enthusiast, however it is very susceptible to black Sigatoka. (056) Noted to be more wind resistant and relatively cold hardy. This banana is from India and produces medium-sized sweet fruit. (030) Of Indian origin, it can be used fresh or green. Very heat tolerant, and reportedly one of the most cold tolerant as well, which makes it a prime candidate for trial growing. A small grower It has been grown as an ornamental almost as far north as M. basjoo, though it never fruits there due to death of the flower spike, and other fruiting varieties may be similarly vegetatively hardy. However, there are reports of choking (999) under conditions where Orinoco finished its fruiting cycle, and even reports of it choking under warm Florida conditions. It may not like temperature fluctuation. There is too little experience with cold winter climate growing to definitively answer this, only time and experimentation will tell. There are certainly plenty who consider it cold hardy. If nothing else it will make a great hardy ornamental foliage plant. Fruit tend to be short and very sweet. It seems to have a very long production cycle. (079) Produces mellow, sweet fruit bananas. There is some wine color in the leaves and the trunk. (105) Supposed to be one of the hardiest. A lot like Dwarf Cayendish and difficult to tell them apart. -Good bananas, but not overly vigorous. (097) Raja Puri. From India, a hardy, pink-fleshed apple banana. (096) Sometimes has some "toughness running down the very center of the banana. (910)

TYPE: DESSERT
GENETICS: AAB (006) (009) (064) (079)
HEIGHT: 6-7' (910), 6-8' (009) (030) >(030), 6-9' (031), 8-10' (005) (007) (032) (038) (047) (056)
ORIGIN: India and Pakistan. (011) (010) (063)
DISEASE: Sigatoka scuceptible, Nematode resistant, Corm borer resistant.
HIGHLIGHTS: Chokes easily. Cold Tolerant.

It list the numbers next to the info, but if one clicks on it, the source is so varied and non-specific to the RAJA PURI.
So, for example, I want to know the typical height of the Raja Puri, well above it lists 4 different heights.
Any explanation?

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(001) (010) (014) This tasty banana is very cold hardy, and the leaves will not turn yellow even with a light frosting. The leaves sometimes grow three feet wide, and the plant will grow and produce even in the poorest of soils. It is totally green with no red markings whatsoever. The plant is highly wind resistant and will not blow over, even in violent storms. Native to India and Pakistan. (003) An outstanding variety which can handle the wind and cold. It quickly produces a medium bunch of sweet, high quality fruit. (005) A vigorous dessert variety from India which withstands wind, cold, adverse conditions, and provides small to medium bunches of sweet, fine flavored fruit. For both its adaptability and the quality of the fruit, this is an outstanding variety. (007) Semi-hardy, producing short, good-quality fruits. Indian Group (009) A tough and cold hardy plant from India that produces medium size sweet bananas (063) This is an Indian cultivar said by some to be India's favourite banana but this is something of an exaggeration, a bit like saying the UK's favourite cherry is the Mazzard. I have yet to find anyone in India who has heard of it. Nevertheless, Rajapuri is a semi-dwarf plant otherwise similar to a rather rare Indian cultivar called Nendra Padaththi. It was once thought that 'Rajapuri' derived by mutation from Nendra Padaththi but this now seems not to be the case. It is possible that Rajapuri itself is simply very restricted in its occurrence in India. Despite the fact that it seems to originate in south India its main claim to fame is its cold tolerance. [O]ne of the most cold tolerant bananas bearing edible fruit. If it is possible to fruit a banana outdoors in the UK, and they are not likely to be as flavoursome as those from the supermarket, it is likely that it will be 'Rajapuri' or 'Orinoco'. In the USA, mature leaves of Rajapuri have been reported to be hardy to 32 degF) with wind although emerging leaves are damaged by wind and temperatures lower than about [39 degF}. (011) One of India's favorites! [R]elatively cold hardy and wind resistant. Very sweet med. sized fruit. Easy to grow and great tasting!! First choice for landscaping (030) Popular for tropical landscaping, this is one of India's favorite tasting variety. Its yellow fruit is medium sized and very sweet. Wind resistant due to its strong construction, this somewhat cold hardy variety. (031) This plant that originated from India is a first choice for landscaping. The plant is totally green, has a very thick stem and stands up very well to wind. The leaves are wider than those of most bananas growing up to 3 feet wide. It is the best plant to grow in marginal areas or where a grower does not intend to put much care into the cultivation of bananas. The heads of fruit are of moderate size with medium sized fruit that are very sweet. (032) [O]ne of the most durable and easy to grow bananas. This stout trunked plant grows to 9 feet and is very wind resistant. The 6 inch fruit is very sweet and is a favorite in India. (039) A vigorous dessert variety from India which withstands wind, cold, adverse conditions, and provides small-to-medium bunches of sweet fine flavored fruit. For both its adaptability and the quality of the fruit, this is an outstanding variety. (047) Small fruit with sweet, tasty flesh in small bunches. Tolerates cold and wind well (052) [A] sweet dessert banana with smooth and creamy flesh. It is a hardy variety resistant to disease, nematode and corm borer attack, and can survive a light frost with leaves intact. The plant ... is very wind resistant. Fruit size and production is medium, however stock will bear in less than one year. Rajapuri is one of the favorite bananas of India and an excellent choice for the dooryard enthusiast, however it is very susceptible to black Sigatoka. (056) Noted to be more wind resistant and relatively cold hardy. This banana is from India and produces medium-sized sweet fruit. (030) Of Indian origin, it can be used fresh or green. Very heat tolerant, and reportedly one of the most cold tolerant as well, which makes it a prime candidate for trial growing. A small grower It has been grown as an ornamental almost as far north as M. basjoo, though it never fruits there due to death of the flower spike, and other fruiting varieties may be similarly vegetatively hardy. However, there are reports of choking (999) under conditions where Orinoco finished its fruiting cycle, and even reports of it choking under warm Florida conditions. It may not like temperature fluctuation. There is too little experience with cold winter climate growing to definitively answer this, only time and experimentation will tell. There are certainly plenty who consider it cold hardy. If nothing else it will make a great hardy ornamental foliage plant. Fruit tend to be short and very sweet. It seems to have a very long production cycle. (079) Produces mellow, sweet fruit bananas. There is some wine color in the leaves and the trunk. (105) Supposed to be one of the hardiest. A lot like Dwarf Cayendish and difficult to tell them apart. -Good bananas, but not overly vigorous. (097) Raja Puri. From India, a hardy, pink-fleshed apple banana. (096) Sometimes has some "toughness running down the very center of the banana. (910) TYPE: DESSERT GENETICS: AAB (006) (009) (064) (079) HEIGHT: 6-7' (910), 6-8' (009) (030) >(030), 6-9' (031), 8-10' (005) (007) (032) (038) (047) (056) ORIGIN: India and Pakistan. (011) (010) (063) DISEASE: Sigatoka scuceptible, Nematode resistant, Corm borer resistant. HIGHLIGHTS: Chokes easily. Cold Tolerant. It list the numbers next to the info, but if one clicks on it, the source is so varied and non-specific to the RAJA PURI. So, for example, I want to know the typical height of the Raja Puri, well above it lists 4 different heights. Any explanation? __________________ These are the 'good ole days'.