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Old 08-07-2009, 05:57 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: Santa came to TN via California!!!! WAGGIES!!!

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Originally Posted by Jack Daw View Post
Well, Trachycarpus wagnerianus is as hardy as Trachycarpus fortunei, the only real difference is in growing habits. Waggie has thicker stem, shorter nodes and smaller, yet tougher leaves. It is suitable for growing in windy areas, that would otherwise tear fortunei's leaves, but other than that I think that in general it is the least beautiful palm of the Trachycarpus family.
Randy, let us know, how palms grown in California do in your zone 7. We here in Europe have palms practically only from 2 places: China and Spain. Other companies are more specialized on seed dealing, not living plants.
Neither of the palms, from China or Spain, can surivive our winters unprotected (I mean northern, much more frosty zones of my country, zones 5 to 7a). They can definitely survive with problems unprotected in my, southern region of Central Europe.
Trachycarpus wagnerianus stands here to winds of 100kmph or 65mph. Trachycarpus fortunei is damaged in such cases.

Both plants lose their foliage in -13°C (8,5°F) and die without any better protection at -17°C (1,5°F). However people grow them in central Europe in areas, where the annual minimums are about -20°C. No problems there, but they are forced to grow the palms protected and can't afford not to protect them in the winter.

Good luck boys!
Jack, it is a matter of opinion as far as a waggie being the least beautiful palm!!! In mine and many others that grow all types of Trachys, that the waggie is a very desirable palm because of its growth habit. I now have 5 different types of trachycarpus and the waggie is by far the most beautiful in my opinion. As far as losing foliage in 8,5F, I have two fortuneii's that are about 6' of trunk each and had only minor leaf damage this past winter and we saw 6F twice with several others in the single digits. They went one span of over 48 hours of below freezing too. And that was with No protection at all!!! I believe they are alot hardier than folks want to give them credit for...
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