Raules

All hello! At me the plant which I have bought as Musa paradisiaca grows. It from seeds is grown up. But the name of plant Musa paradisiaca, does not correspond to a concrete kind. I try to define that at me have grown. A plant interesting enough, with strongly pronounced signs of difference from other plants. I have made the analysis and have decided that this plant approaches to version Musa acuminata. Having seen all available the literature, I have defined it as Musa acuminata ssp. malaccensis (Selangor). But it is a pity that about Musa acuminata it is not enough literature and photos too. Here the short description of a version:
Musa acuminata ssp. malaccensis (Selangor).
Plant descriptors

Leaf habit: Erect
Pseudostem height [m]: 2.1 to 2.9
Pseudostem aspect: Slender
Pseudostem colour: Chimerical
Pseudostem appearance: Dull (waxy)
Pigmentation of the underlying
pseudostem: Pink-purple
Sap colour: Watery
Development of suckers: Taller than parent plant
Position of suckers: Close to parent (vertical growth)
Blotches at the petiole base: Extensive pigmentation
Blotches colour: Brown-black

Petiole/midrib/leaf

Petiole canal leaf III: Straight with erect margins
Colour of midrib dorsal surface: Pink-purple
Colour of cigar leaf dorsal surface: Green
Blotches on leaves of water suckers: Without blotches

Distribution: Malaysia

Probably I was mistaken, I wish to learn your opinion, write...
Here a photo:

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Caloosamusa

I have seen many musa species discribed, but have never seen a "Key" of bananas published, as with other plants. I do not have enough reference material to refute or confirm. I think you may be correct, your description and attention to detail is greatly appreciated and will add to the body of knowledge!

Good weather and growing to you Raules!

bigdog

Hi Andrey,

I tried to email you some pictures, but it came back to me as undeliverable. PM me with a different address!

Frank

Raules

Greetings Caloosamusa! Really, it not easy business - plant identification. Unfortunately too it is very limited in the literature. At us in Russian it is not present in general. I find only in English. We probably do not have experts in this direction. But it seems to me by common efforts, by means of the Internet it can be made. After all I look on a site many people, from different points of a planet. By common efforts all is possible. At us suppliers probably buy up seeds from foreign shops, the mess turns out does not stop. But on the other hand this interesting employment.
Greetings Frank! I have written to you PM.

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Jack Daw

Nice Andrej, seems to be doing well in your greenhouse. Regarding identification - I'm clueless.


No problem, Russian servers generaly don't accept foreign server packages with ununified headers (I've had problems with rambler.ru...).

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Raules

Yes, this hour to identify a plant it is difficult, while it still young. It will be much easier, when it will blossom, and on a flower it will be already visible that. It is a pity that nobody dealt with versions Musa acuminata ssp. malaccensis, microcarpa. With mail have already understood, there was an error in the address.

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Caloosamusa

Good afternoon Raules,

I grow Monkey Fingers, and Pisang jari Buaya. When they recover sufficiently from the freeze, I will take pictures of the leaves, petioles, petiole wings, and entire plant to show growth habit.

My Monkey Fingers looks very similar to your pictures in terms of growth habit and leaf form.

I'll have good detailed pictures for comparison in a couple of months.

Frank, please share with us!

Good weather to all of you!

lorax

I don't think it's ssp. malaccensis - your pups are showing none of the characteristic red blotching nor do they have the bluish sheen produced by the presence of wax.

Tog's photos give a good idea of the ssp. malaccensis, especially as young plants.

Gallery Here (click)

I'd be leaning towards ssp-acuminata, myself - the only blotched trunk rules out ssp. truncata (which has a black pstem), and ssp acuminata tends to be glaucous due to the presence of wax, as is showing well on your pups.

Raules

Yes Caloosamusa, it will be useful also for another in the further identification of plants, I will wait your pictures. Lorax, thanks for your opinion. Tog considered version Musa acuminata ssp. malaccensis. I looked its pictures and compared, it really two different kinds. But I have paid attention to version Musa acuminata ssp. malaccensis (Selangor). It not pure version Musa acuminata ssp. malaccensis, and has the features. I leant on Musalogue A catalogue of Musa germplasm. But also there there are disagreements, for example look description Musa basjoo.
Musa acuminata has many versions, I even itself very much was surprised that it still plainly and is not studied. Here the list from available versions and it, I is assured, not the full:
Musa acuminata ssp. acuminata
Musa acuminata ssp. alasensis
Musa acuminata ssp. banskii
Musa acuminata ssp. bantamensis
Musa acuminata ssp. breviformis
Musa acuminata ssp. burmannicoides (= Calcutta 4: Referenz specie INIBAP)
Musa acuminata ssp. burmannica
Musa acuminata ssp. cerifera
Musa acuminata ssp. errans
Musa acuminata ssp. halabanensis
Musa acuminata var. longepetiolata
Musa acuminata ssp. malaccensis
Musa acuminata ssp. microcarpa
Musa acuminata ssp. microcarpa Borneo
Musa acuminata var. nakaii
Musa acuminata var. rutifiles
Musa acuminata ssp. siamea
Musa acuminata ssp. truncata
Musa acuminata var. sumatrana
Musa acuminata var. tomentosa
Musa acuminata ssp. zebrina
At me is to steam of a photo of this version, Musa acuminata ssp. malaccensis (Selangor), but they do not show, unfortunately, all details:


Concerning puppies. It agree, they without wax, but wax began to appear on a plant in process of its growing. I wait still for opinions, write...

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