9 months minimum?, flower to mature fruit?

MV8R · 05-06-2013, 05:18 PM

Hello, I'm Steve and I am new here. I've planted lots of fruit trees and plants in the last few years but I'm new to bananas.

I'm in the Atlanta area, Zone 8 but we usually get a week of temps in the teens.

I have an unknown from a local grower, two namwah "ice cream" soon to be planted, and a California Gold on the way.

Out of the most cold hardy varieties, what has been the groups experience with time from flowering to mature/pickable fruit? How many months?

I've been reading a lot here and elsewhere but can't find any information about those that have produced in less than 9 months.

I realize weather during those months is key. Just trying to make the best choices.

Thanks in advance!

oakshadows · 05-06-2013, 05:58 PM

move farther south, much farther, for 9 month bananas..........

bananimal · 05-08-2013, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MV8R

Hello, I'm Steve and I am new here. I've planted lots of fruit trees and plants in the last few years but I'm new to bananas.

I'm in the Atlanta area, Zone 8 but we usually get a week of temps in the teens.

I have an unknown from a local grower, two namwah "ice cream" soon to be planted, and a California Gold on the way.

Out of the most cold hardy varieties, what has been the groups experience with time from flowering to mature/pickable fruit? How many months?

I've been reading a lot here and elsewhere but can't find any information about those that have produced in less than 9 months.

I realize weather during those months is key. Just trying to make the best choices.

Thanks in advance!

U of Ga says Georgia farmers can get a cash crop each year from Viente Cohol. It's a short cycle naner. Get fruit in 9 months if you plant 2 to 3 ft pups after last frost date. End of season dig em up and pot up in greenhouse.

MV8R · 05-08-2013, 05:40 AM

Thanks for the heads up Noah, you are very funny guy!

Banimal, I had no idea such a variety existed! I ordered a couple this morning! Thanks!!!!

New Banana for Georgia Beats Cold | Walter Reeves: The Georgia Gardener

Musa "Veinte Cohol" Banana Tree Plant | eBay

It pays to ask!

bananimal · 05-08-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MV8R

Thanks for the heads up Noah, you are very funny guy!

Banimal, I had no idea such a variety existed! I ordered a couple this morning! Thanks!!!!

New Banana for Georgia Beats Cold | Walter Reeves: The Georgia Gardener

Musa "Veinte Cohol" Banana Tree Plant | eBay

It pays to ask!

You could have got a couple from me. I recently got a whole mat of VC pups from a club member.

MV8R · 05-08-2013, 08:06 AM

I'm definately interested. I could use some for my mom and sister to grow. I imagine yours are bigger than what I just ordered. How do I get some of your VC pups?

sunfish · 05-08-2013, 09:21 AM

So are the fruit available in Georgia markets ?

MV8R · 05-08-2013, 03:56 PM

I have not noticed at the major chain stores. There is an Asian grocery store here called H Mart, which I plan to visit that may have them. They dried jujubes, dates, and many other interesting foods.

lkstapleton · 06-26-2013, 11:10 AM

I'm in San Jose, CA. We get a few nights a year in the 20s. I wrote an article for our California Rare Fruit Growers newsletter about Veinte Cohol two years ago, after interviewing one of the researchers.

There were actually other bananas mentioned n that research. I planted most of them in huge containers on my balconies, which aren't enclosed but are a few degrees warmer than the outside air due to wind protection and heat leakage from the house. Interestingly, VC was the least vigorous grower of the group! Maybe it's because we have very dry heat here.

The others were Kandarian (getting ready to bloom for me), Sweetheart, Dwarf Orin., Ice Cream, Dwarf Namwah and Goldfinger. In my experience, these are much more rapid growers here. They might also work for you, as they are on the cold hardy side.

Lisa

sunfish · 06-26-2013, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lkstapleton

I'm in San Jose, CA. We get a few nights a year in the 20s. I wrote an article for our California Rare Fruit Growers newsletter about Veinte Cohol two years ago, after interviewing one of the researchers.

There were actually other bananas mentioned n that research. I planted most of them in huge containers on my balconies, which aren't enclosed but are a few degrees warmer than the outside air due to wind protection and heat leakage from the house. Interestingly, VC was the least vigorous grower of the group! Maybe it's because we have very dry heat here.

The others were Kandarian (getting ready to bloom for me), Sweetheart, Dwarf Orin., Ice Cream, Dwarf Namwah and Goldfinger. In my experience, these are much more rapid growers here. They might also work for you, as they are on the cold hardy side.

Lisa

VC will not take much cold weather.Even here,San Diego it does not like the winter temps.

lkstapleton · 06-26-2013, 02:15 PM

Thanks, Tony, that's probably it. We also have cool nights here, even in the summer, so that might also slow it down. And you're right, it seems to get frostbite easily and take a long time to regrow in the spring.

I had had high hopes for VC, but now I'm seeing much better results from California Gold, Kandarian, Dwarf Orin., Ice Cream, and Sweetheart. Kandarian is HUGE, though. I hope it doesn't tip over when it gets a full load of bananas. I have it in a 96-gallon pot, though, which is heavy.

Lisa

MV8R · 06-26-2013, 02:52 PM

My VCs and icecreams seem to be growing slowly compared to the Cali Gold. I read that VC should be about two feet high early in the Spring to be able to produce mature fruit by October.

The locally grown unknown plant I bought first is about 4 feet high now, from about one foot high a couple months ago, now with two pups.

sunfish · 06-26-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lkstapleton

Thanks, Tony, that's probably it. We also have cool nights here, even in the summer, so that might also slow it down. And you're right, it seems to get frostbite easily and take a long time to regrow in the spring.

I had had high hopes for VC, but now I'm seeing much better results from California Gold, Kandarian, Dwarf Orin., Ice Cream, and Sweetheart. Kandarian is HUGE, though. I hope it doesn't tip over when it gets a full load of bananas. I have it in a 96-gallon pot, though, which is heavy.

Lisa

I think VC needs to over winter indoors even in zone 10

BigBananaBoy · 06-26-2013, 07:18 PM

I will find that out with my VC this winter in so cali.....

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I think VC needs to over winter indoors even in zone 10

bananimal · 06-26-2013, 07:44 PM

I've planted two spots with VC. The mama corm and a 4 ft potted pup. Will see how it does this year and also what effect the winter has later on.

Everybody needs to remember this is a little guy. And short cycle too. Fruits at 5 to 6 ft.

BigBananaBoy · 06-26-2013, 07:50 PM

Have you tasted the fruit yet Dan?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bananimal

I've planted two spots with VC. The mama corm and a 4 ft potted pup. Will see how it does this year and also what effect the winter has later on.

Everybody needs to remember this is a little guy. And short cycle too. Fruits at 5 to 6 ft.

sunfish · 06-26-2013, 07:54 PM

[quote=
Everybody needs to remember this is a little guy. And short cycle too. Fruits at 5 to 6 ft.[/QUOTE]

Why do we need to remember this ?

blownz281 · 06-26-2013, 08:12 PM

They had some survive in Georgia during there trials and fruit,from what I read. Mine is almost three feet tall and putting out leaves one right after another. But I plan to dig and place in my greenhouse this winter.

venturabananas · 06-26-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sunfish

I think VC needs to over winter indoors even in zone 10

I agree. I haven't overwintered mine indoors, but every winter here in zone 10 it gets knocked back. Looks like the main ps-stem is giving up the ghost, but a pup is looking good. Probably until winter rolls around. Not sure I've ever get this one to produce fruit.

All the AA and AAA genome ones I have really don't enjoy even my mild winters where we seldom have frost (none this year). Veinte Cohol and Kluai Khai seem most sensitive of those I have, with Yangambi KM5 and Rose not too far behind.

sunfish · 06-26-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by venturabananas

I agree. I haven't overwintered mine indoors, but every winter here in zone 10 it gets knocked back. Looks like the main ps-stem is giving up the ghost, but a pup is looking good. Probably until winter rolls around. Not sure I've ever get this one to produce fruit.

All the AA and AAA genome ones I have really don't enjoy even my mild winters where we seldom have frost (none this year). Veinte Cohol and Kluai Khai seem most sensitive of those I have, with Yangambi KM5 and Rose not too far behind.

It will make it outdoors at my place over winter but it's so beaten up come spring it takes months to get going again.Zone 11 would be good.

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