Are ALL these cold hardy?

Gardener972 · 05-13-2009, 01:13 PM

I just came across a website stating that these are cold hardy. Maybe their definition and mine are different of cold hardy. What do you think? Here are the zones they have associated with them too.
Darjeeling Banana Musa sikkimensis - Zone 6
Yunnan Banana Musa sp. "Yunnan" - Zone 6
Chinese Dwarf Banana Musella lasiocarpa - Zone 6
Velvet Banana Musa velutina - Zone 7
Giant Nepal Banana Ensete glaucum - Zone 7

lorax · 05-13-2009, 01:38 PM

If you protect them adequately, then yes.

Jack Daw · 05-13-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lorax

If you protect them adequately, then yes.

Rhizomes will survive, psuedostems probably not (less then -10°C - no help, pstems die out)...

Gardener972 · 05-13-2009, 04:56 PM

Would you put me onto a good learning site where I can learn what palms have psuedostems & what palms have rhizomes?

jack hagenaars · 05-13-2009, 06:37 PM

I have tried both Yunnan and musella lasiocarpa.....Yunnan died two years after being protected and musella lasiocarpa 3 years...I am in zone 8...I would say no to those two...

just j · 05-13-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gardener972

Would you put me onto a good learning site where I can learn what palms have psuedostems & what palms have rhizomes?

none the travellers palm is the only one close but isnt really a palm

just j · 05-13-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jack hagenaars

I have tried both Yunnan and musella lasiocarpa.....Yunnan died two years after being protected and musella lasiocarpa 3 years...I am in zone 8...I would say no to those two...

i disagree with this u didnt protect them good enough than cause musella i have had freeze bad with snow covering them and some leaves even made it without turning black and they came back asap stronger than ever the next year

jack hagenaars · 05-13-2009, 07:48 PM

I muslched both of them in a cage full of oak leaves...the same treatment I use for the Basjoo...and voila...Dead,Dead,Dead!!!!!

Lagniappe · 05-13-2009, 08:19 PM

They may have been too wet. Did you cover it to keep the rain out?

turtile · 05-13-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gardener972

Would you put me onto a good learning site where I can learn what palms have psuedostems & what palms have rhizomes?

A pseudostem is a fake stem that is made up of blades and sheathes. The rhizome is the real stem which is underground. None of the plants you've mentioned above are palms.

Bananas have corms (similar to rhizomes - an underground stem) and pseudostems.

just j · 05-13-2009, 09:19 PM

yeah i was just gonna ask if they got wet i have had super luck with these no matter what i do they always come back unless i leave them out in zone 4-5 i even left mine out in a hard freeze and when i say that i mean -degrees and it was super hard to dig them out of the ground when the ground was frozen and mine bounched back i really didnt think it was gonna but it did luckly i have even heard stories of ppl covering them for winter with leaves and bags with the flower blooming and it was still in bloom when they uncovered it in fall

Jack Daw · 05-14-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by just j

i disagree with this u didnt protect them good enough than cause musella i have had freeze bad with snow covering them and some leaves even made it without turning black and they came back asap stronger than ever the next year

Winters in Europe are none like those in USA, incomparable, I have to agree with Jack...

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Originally Posted by Lagniappe

They may have been too wet. Did you cover it to keep the rain out?

Maybe, this is the most possible reason as the winters in Europe are famous for being wet (most parts of the Europe, there ARE exceptions)

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Originally Posted by just j

yeah i was just gonna ask if they got wet i have had super luck with these no matter what i do they always come back unless i leave them out in zone 4-5 i even left mine out in a hard freeze and when i say that i mean -degrees and it was super hard to dig them out of the ground when the ground was frozen and mine bounched back i really didnt think it was gonna but it did luckly i have even heard stories of ppl covering them for winter with leaves and bags with the flower blooming and it was still in bloom when they uncovered it in fall

The truth is, that Musella lasiocarpa and Musa basjoo are considered the hardiest of all bananas. You can give it a try, but do not expect too much.

jack hagenaars · 05-16-2009, 12:18 PM

When I mulch my bananas I also cover them with a big tarp to keep the rain and wind off the stems...but to no avail...and even my soil has excellent drainage and the whole yard is slightly on a very slight slope..also there is a fence around the entire yard to block some of the wind..so I have tried all the tricks necessary...but to no avail...the only other determination would be to find a better micro climate within the yard...but I figure if it is that borderline here,I wont bother...its just to heart breaking....so bajoo is my best and favorite banana for outside so far....unless of course...perhaps trying an ensente?

jack hagenaars · 05-16-2009, 12:20 PM

Which Bananas are you growing in your zone Jack Daw?

Jack Daw · 05-16-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jack hagenaars

Which Bananas are you growing in your zone Jack Daw?

For the time being, Cavendish type only (I generally want only edible cultivars), so the question of overwintering outside goes off for me. The only option remains to dig them up and store somewhere cool and safe. I will also try other varieties such as Dwarf Brazilian, Raja Puri, some Orinoco variants, when I get my hands on them...

I haven't tried basjoo or anything like that what-so-ever, the chances are always, that it won't survive (p-stem) and so the work goes right from the beginning.

eyefi · 05-16-2009, 03:48 PM

i've always understood cold hardy to mean half hardy, in other words will withstand very very mild short frost. is that how it's used here?

Gardener972 · 05-17-2009, 12:18 AM

Jack Daw, do you grow Cavendish IN GROUND?

Gardener972 · 05-19-2009, 10:36 AM

Which bananas have pseudostems and which have corms?

Bananaman88 · 05-19-2009, 11:07 AM

Here is an easy way to think about it: The corm is the underground portion-the base of the pseudostem. The pseudostem is the portion from just above ground level up to where the lowest leaf is. Below is also a sketch done by Gabe that should help you with some of the terminology.

turtile · 05-19-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Gardener972

Which bananas have pseudostems and which have corms?

All bananas have both.

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