Dwarf Brazilian vs Tall Brazilian

Tropicallvr · 05-14-2007, 05:25 PM

I just got a nice Tall brazilian from going bananas, and now I'm thinking I should at least get a dwarf to do a proper cold hardy test

with both.
Has anybody noticed a difference between the two in terms of hardiness?
Or for that matter a difference in hardiness between the dwarf and tall orinoco's? My tall orinoco did really well on the warmer coast, but I gave my dwarf to someone with a greenhouse, so not much to compare.

Simply Bananas · 08-25-2008, 06:30 PM

How did the comparison work out?

Tropicallvr · 08-25-2008, 06:55 PM

Never had a chance to test them out.
Someone(Joe Real maybe?) thought the tall version was more cold hardy, but probably tougher to get to fruit than the short one.

Simply Bananas · 08-25-2008, 07:34 PM

I have a tall one now doing well. Its in its 4th month from a TC. May get dwarfs/dwarves next year if I am lucky.

endeitz · 08-25-2008, 10:12 PM

I bought both dwarf and tall types from online sources last winter (at least I hope they are the right thing, they are definitely Braz. since the leaves have the right streaking), overwintered them in pots in an attached garage next to a sunny window, and planted them in the ground in late March.

The dwarf grew very well by my gardening standards and is now about 8' tall. The tall brazilian did not fare as well, and is only about 6' tall. No, I didn't get them switched at birth (of course one was from Ebay. . .). They both seem to suffer in the Texas sun/heat. It has been absolutely brutal here this summer, with constant >100F high temps.

I will be attempting to protect the stems of both this winter (I am 8a, we get down to 15F-ish) with bubble wrap or something similar, and a foot of mulch on the ground. I have pups from the dwarf to put in the garage again, and am hoping the tall one will pup in time that I can save one of those as well. Regardless, I am confident that the mothers will at least come back from the ground, even if the stems don't survive.

I think we will all know more in the spring, and can compare notes then!

Cheers,

Ed.

Chironex · 08-26-2008, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by endeitz

I bought both dwarf and tall types from online sources last winter (at least I hope they are the right thing, they are definitely Braz. since the leaves have the right streaking), overwintered them in pots in an attached garage next to a sunny window, and planted them in the ground in late March.

The dwarf grew very well by my gardening standards and is now about 8' tall. The tall brazilian did not fare as well, and is only about 6' tall. No, I didn't get them switched at birth (of course one was from Ebay. . .). They both seem to suffer in the Texas sun/heat. It has been absolutely brutal here this summer, with constant >100F high temps.

I will be attempting to protect the stems of both this winter (I am 8a, we get down to 15F-ish) with bubble wrap or something similar, and a foot of mulch on the ground. I have pups from the dwarf to put in the garage again, and am hoping the tall one will pup in time that I can save one of those as well. Regardless, I am confident that the mothers will at least come back from the ground, even if the stems don't survive.

I think we will all know more in the spring, and can compare notes then!

Cheers,

Ed.

We are up here in Las Vegas and doing the same kind of tests. Let's share info to find the best for our area.

Abnshrek · 05-11-2010, 12:56 PM

I can't believe there isn't any updates on this thread or input? :^)

DaveE · 05-13-2010, 10:37 PM

Any updates?

Dave

momoese · 05-13-2010, 10:53 PM

I have both. They both taste great. One is tall, one is short.

SoBe Musa · 05-14-2010, 09:47 AM

Also have both dwarf/tall and even that temperatures here in South Florida don’t get too cold for comparison , this year we had ( here in Miami Beach)low/mid 30s with strong wind chill factor and both did it very well and comparison to Saba ,Kendrian and all other that I grow. Also I got them at going bananas .

Today's pics :
Tall BRAZILIAN - about10/11ft -hold the fruit Through the winter.
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Dwarf BRAZILIAN- about 5 1/2ft it hold the flag also.
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SoBe Musa · 09-21-2010, 11:55 PM

Here is what is happening with Tall and Dwarf Brazilian..a strong difference in the fruit size and banana count..bunches are from photos posted before.
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Dwarf Brazilian :
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Gabe15 · 09-22-2010, 12:20 AM

Emily, your plants appear both to be 'Dwarf Brazilian'. Only the dwarf has persistent male flowers and bracts like that, the tall falls off right away and when well fed is a much larger plant.

Here is a photo of the tall.

Bananaman88 · 09-22-2010, 12:35 PM

I am growing both, though in different locations. I have the DB in my back yard and the tall Brazilian at my place of work in the city. The city location typically stays several degrees warmer during the winter so it probably won't be a great comparison. I'll try to remember and post what I observe in the spring.

momoese · 09-22-2010, 01:26 PM

Gabe is correct as usual. My Dwarf holds the bracts and the Tall drops them as fast as they open. The Talls are much taller too. I've had some with 18-20 feet of pseudo stem.

Also the fruits are about the same size and flavor on both of mine.

Dalmatiansoap · 09-22-2010, 03:38 PM

Naaaaah, Brazilian!!!!

momoese · 09-22-2010, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap

Naaaaah, Brazilian!!!!

Some day Ante. It's hard to believe no one in Croatia has DB. Are you the only guy growing bananas there?

What about Agristarts, can they ship there?

What if I put a small pup inside a stuffed animal and shipped it? Think that would work?

Then it would really be a stuffed animal!

SoBe Musa · 09-22-2010, 11:09 PM

So, both may be Dwarf ...time for a real tall one ...
One thing they may look close in sizes but the differences are there,i don't know about the leaf deferences.. you guys are the experts.
And the bananas where nice and sweet both thought.
Thanks

momoese · 09-23-2010, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoBe Musa

So, both may be Dwarf ...time for a real tall one ...
One thing they may look close in sizes but the differences are there,i don't know about the leaf deferences.. you guys are the experts.
And the bananas where nice and sweet both thought.
Thanks

You want a tall one, lmk

Dalmatiansoap · 09-23-2010, 04:44 AM

Haha, my day will come momoese

Thx for the offer but no reason to bother, let us keep animals stuffed in the way they allready are

Gabe15 · 09-23-2010, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoBe Musa

So, both may be Dwarf ...time for a real tall one ...
One thing they may look close in sizes but the differences are there,i don't know about the leaf deferences.. you guys are the experts.
And the bananas where nice and sweet both thought.
Thanks

They are definitely both dwarf, but the smaller of your two plants for some reason is struggling. That bunch is very small and the plant is relatively small too. Your "tall" agrees with a typical well nourished 'Dwarf Brazilian', and your "dwarf" agrees with a struggling 'Dwarf Brazilian'. 'Brazilian' (tall) when undernourished typically gets about 10-12ft, while a well nourished plant is typically easily 18-20ft, sometimes even near 25ft.

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