Winter Protection Zone 6 - Fingers Crossed

cvergrl · 10-27-2013, 07:51 PM

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jbyrd88888 · 10-27-2013, 08:12 PM

Very Very Interesting! Good luck!

jbyrd88888 · 10-27-2013, 08:14 PM

You can be my gf? lol

jbyrd88888 · 10-27-2013, 08:54 PM

It might help if you put some old dried-up tree leaves around the ones outside when it gets colder. I don't know how others feel about this but from what I understand about banana plants is the Corm Underground is the Brain that controls all nutrition the leaves and fruit receive.
I probably would have chopped it 4-6 inches and put something to keep them warm on top. Just sharing my knowledge(opinion), I will always be a newbie. The stalk left standing will add resistance to the new leaves that form next year/It might take longer to get started puttin out leafage next year with a tall old stalk/p-stem.
BUT this resistance in the old stalk may just help put more energy into more pups?
How do you feel about this?

sunfish · 10-27-2013, 09:53 PM

You can always cut it in the Spring

dana mastro · 10-27-2013, 10:32 PM

leave it just how it is and color the top so it looks like a lit joint! lol

:ukkibannana

:

cvergrl · 10-27-2013, 10:35 PM

Hi,
Thanks for your response. I am also a newbie to this as this being my first year with banana plants. I have been doing a lot of research on how to over-winter for zone 6 and saw some who cut down the stalk as you mentioned and some that wrapped it. I figured i give it a shot by just wrapping and time will tell come Spring. If this approach does not work then your suggestion will be my next alternative. Thanks for the feedback I have a lot to learn.

cvergrl · 10-27-2013, 10:48 PM

Worcester College Gardeners: May 2010
check out this link

jbyrd88888 · 10-28-2013, 03:11 PM

I wonder why not many replies to these beautifully hand-wrapped tampons?
Main Banana Discussion:
This is where we discuss our banana collections; tips on growing bananas, tips on harvesting bananas, sharing our banana photos and stories.

Cold Hardy Bananas Discussion:
This forum is dedicated to the discussion of bananas that are able to grow and thrive in cold areas. You'll find lots of tips and discussions about keeping your bananas over the winter.

I could teach ya some stuff darlin' Yeah I went to college too!
In My High School I helped Put up a 3200 sq. ft. Polycarbonate greenhouse. College all I ever do is stare at a teacher, no field-trips ever....

Kat2 · 10-28-2013, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbyrd88888

I wonder why not many replies to these beautifully hand-wrapped tampons?

I was amazed and thus rendered speechless/typeless. I hope it works.

cvergrl · 10-28-2013, 07:04 PM

Will post unwrapping come spring.

Kat2 · 10-28-2013, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cvergrl

Will post unwrapping come spring.

Never be afraid to try something different with your plants; take a stand against the experts and experiment. Looking forward to the reveal!

Olafhenny · 10-28-2013, 09:27 PM

Hi Girl,

I pride myself to be a fairly positive guy and certainly am I in favour of all kinds of experimentation.
However unless there is some source of heat I do not know about I can assure you, that your
pseudo stems (PS) will not make it through to spring. That is based on a number of winters in
HZ6. I have lost a PS in my first attempt of wintering, much better protected than yours
appear to be (see the ‘funny man’ here): My Banana Experience (or lack of it). It shows the PS
buried in a large tomato cage stuffed with leaves. It did not make it.

If your corms were at least buried 6 inches deep in the ground, I would be able to assure you,
that at least they will survive, even if it takes a lot longer for recovery in spring. However, in
an elevated setting with cold air allowed to get at them from the side as well as from the top,
even that is doubtful.

Since there is still plenty time to change your method,I suggest that you scroll through some
of these sites to figure out, what is best for you:
wintering
Time to cut back my Basjoos?
Prepping basjoo for winter

There are of course more sites. Wintering bananas has been discussed in this forum for years.

Good luck!
Olaf
PS: If you have a name or anything else you prefer to be addressed as, I would feel more
comfortable than using ‘cvrgrl ’ or just ‘girl’

cvergrl · 10-28-2013, 09:45 PM

Musa Basjoo cold hardy what does that mean when suggested for lower zones? Is it cold hardy or isn't it?

Olafhenny · 10-28-2013, 10:27 PM

It means, that the corm of it is cold hardy, for the basjoo it is to HZ5, provided it is buried deep
enough. The top freezes off, where ever the frost penetrates into the cells. When the sap
freezes the water in it forms ice crystals, which destroy the cells from within. That explains,
why it has to be at at least -1^C (30^F) for a while before that happens. as I stated in one
of my posts, for which I gave you the URLs below, my basjoos have already suffered two
periods of frost this fall, one briefly at -1^C and one for a full 5 hours duration at -2^C
(28^F) and only the exposed tops of the leaves froze up.

cannasrus · 10-30-2013, 07:30 AM

I guess jbyrd is kind of a douche, sorry I found his comment out of line. I am here to learn, so F@^kin what if it was posted in the wrong place. Newbies have good intentions, I thought this site was to help us all do things better and Grow what we love and share with others. Good thing he went to college, good to know they dont teach manners

jbyrd88888 · 10-30-2013, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cannasrus

I guess jbyrd is kind of a douche, sorry I found his comment out of line. I am here to learn, so F@^kin what if it was posted in the wrong place. Newbies have good intentions, I thought this site was to help us all do things better and Grow what we love and share with others. Good thing he went to college, good to know they dont teach manners

Hmmm I You are very correct an yeah almost everyone here is new except the ones that have stayed around or check up here rarely IMO.
Ima a hole please forgive me sorry

EDIT: my intentions were only humorous and helpful

Kat2 · 10-30-2013, 06:52 PM

I'm still interested in how the mummy wrap works. I used to talk with fig gardeners who used raincoats to cover their girls in the cold; apparently that's an old Italian growing trick. And some had them in pots so they could have them go dormant in an unheated garage. (Few took them into a greenhouse or living area.) We both lived in zone 7. Too lazy to deal with pots or babying the ladies, I left any one over a year old in the ground outside. Without a coat or blanket or leaf cage. some I lost (always had replacement baby figlets inside just in case) but most often I won. (Not the year Reagan's inaugural was held inside. Brrrrrr! Everybody save "Blackie" did fine; she died to her roots but rallied in the spring.)

cvergrl · 05-11-2014, 09:46 PM

After along extremely cold winter in Connecticut I unwrapped the Musa. The first pic is it unwrapped a week ago. The second photo is it's winter coat removed. The third pic is it a week later. One shoot that was wrapped has produced a new leaf. For everyone that doubted and criticized my method I will be nice and say anything is possible and keep learning.

Olafhenny · 05-11-2014, 10:36 PM

So where are the pictures?

10-27-2013, 07:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
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10-27-2013, 10:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
cvergrl Location: Connecticut Zone: 6 Name: Lynn Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 33 BananaBucks : 5,563 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 9 Times Was Thanked 17 Times in 9 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Winter Protection Zone 6 - Fingers Crossed Hi, Thanks for your response. I am also a newbie to this as this being my first year with banana plants. I have been doing a lot of research on how to over-winter for zone 6 and saw some who cut down the stalk as you mentioned and some that wrapped it. I figured i give it a shot by just wrapping and time will tell come Spring. If this approach does not work then your suggestion will be my next alternative. Thanks for the feedback I have a lot to learn.

10-27-2013, 10:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
cvergrl Location: Connecticut Zone: 6 Name: Lynn Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 33 BananaBucks : 5,563 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 9 Times Was Thanked 17 Times in 9 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Winter Protection Zone 6 - Fingers Crossed Worcester College Gardeners: May 2010 check out this link

10-28-2013, 03:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
jbyrd88888 ░▒▓█ Јustin █▓▒░ Location: H.P., N.C. Find me on the map! Zone: 7-J Name: Justin Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 668 BananaBucks : 41,772 Feedback: 2 / 100% Said "Thanks" 2,104 Times Was Thanked 971 Times in 371 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 236 Times	Re: Winter Protection Zone 6 - Fingers Crossed I wonder why not many replies to these beautifully hand-wrapped tampons? Main Banana Discussion: This is where we discuss our banana collections; tips on growing bananas, tips on harvesting bananas, sharing our banana photos and stories. Cold Hardy Bananas Discussion: This forum is dedicated to the discussion of bananas that are able to grow and thrive in cold areas. You'll find lots of tips and discussions about keeping your bananas over the winter. I could teach ya some stuff darlin' Yeah I went to college too! In My High School I helped Put up a 3200 sq. ft. Polycarbonate greenhouse. College all I ever do is stare at a teacher, no field-trips ever.... __________________ ■□■ J-Bert's Nana Grow Log ○●○ ●○● UPDATED 6-21-2015 ■□■ Last edited by jbyrd88888 : 10-29-2013 at 04:37 AM.

10-28-2013, 07:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
cvergrl Location: Connecticut Zone: 6 Name: Lynn Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 33 BananaBucks : 5,563 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 9 Times Was Thanked 17 Times in 9 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Winter Protection Zone 6 - Fingers Crossed Will post unwrapping come spring.

10-28-2013, 09:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
Olafhenny Olafhenny's Photo Gallery Location: Penticton, BC, Okanagan Valley, Canada Find me on the map! Zone: Hardiness Zone 6 Name: Olaf Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,705 BananaBucks : 251,595 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 2,050 Times Was Thanked 2,012 Times in 876 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 77 Times	Re: Winter Protection Zone 6 - Fingers Crossed Hi Girl, I pride myself to be a fairly positive guy and certainly am I in favour of all kinds of experimentation. However unless there is some source of heat I do not know about I can assure you, that your pseudo stems (PS) will not make it through to spring. That is based on a number of winters in HZ6. I have lost a PS in my first attempt of wintering, much better protected than yours appear to be (see the ‘funny man’ here): My Banana Experience (or lack of it). It shows the PS buried in a large tomato cage stuffed with leaves. It did not make it. If your corms were at least buried 6 inches deep in the ground, I would be able to assure you, that at least they will survive, even if it takes a lot longer for recovery in spring. However, in an elevated setting with cold air allowed to get at them from the side as well as from the top, even that is doubtful. Since there is still plenty time to change your method,I suggest that you scroll through some of these sites to figure out, what is best for you: wintering Time to cut back my Basjoos? Prepping basjoo for winter There are of course more sites. Wintering bananas has been discussed in this forum for years. Good luck! Olaf PS: If you have a name or anything else you prefer to be addressed as, I would feel more comfortable than using ‘cvrgrl ’ or just ‘girl’ __________________ The reason I joined this forum was to share experiences, my own and those of others and to learn from them. Last edited by Olafhenny : 10-28-2013 at 09:30 PM.

10-28-2013, 09:45 PM	#14 (permalink)
cvergrl Location: Connecticut Zone: 6 Name: Lynn Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 33 BananaBucks : 5,563 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 9 Times Was Thanked 17 Times in 9 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Winter Protection Zone 6 - Fingers Crossed Musa Basjoo cold hardy what does that mean when suggested for lower zones? Is it cold hardy or isn't it?

10-28-2013, 10:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
Olafhenny Olafhenny's Photo Gallery Location: Penticton, BC, Okanagan Valley, Canada Find me on the map! Zone: Hardiness Zone 6 Name: Olaf Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,705 BananaBucks : 251,595 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 2,050 Times Was Thanked 2,012 Times in 876 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 77 Times	Re: Winter Protection Zone 6 - Fingers Crossed It means, that the corm of it is cold hardy, for the basjoo it is to HZ5, provided it is buried deep enough. The top freezes off, where ever the frost penetrates into the cells. When the sap freezes the water in it forms ice crystals, which destroy the cells from within. That explains, why it has to be at at least -1^C (30^F) for a while before that happens. as I stated in one of my posts, for which I gave you the URLs below, my basjoos have already suffered two periods of frost this fall, one briefly at -1^C and one for a full 5 hours duration at -2^C (28^F) and only the exposed tops of the leaves froze up. __________________ The reason I joined this forum was to share experiences, my own and those of others and to learn from them.

10-30-2013, 07:30 AM	#16 (permalink)
cannasrus Location: southwestern Indiana zone 6 Find me on the map! Zone: zone 6 Name: Buddy T Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 88 BananaBucks : 19,931 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 596 Times Was Thanked 80 Times in 38 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 43 Times	Re: Winter Protection Zone 6 - Fingers Crossed I guess jbyrd is kind of a douche, sorry I found his comment out of line. I am here to learn, so F@^kin what if it was posted in the wrong place. Newbies have good intentions, I thought this site was to help us all do things better and Grow what we love and share with others. Good thing he went to college, good to know they dont teach manners __________________ A regular ride is better than a dressed up walk.

10-30-2013, 06:52 PM	#18 (permalink)
Kat2 Location: Now nesting in Titusville, FL Zone: 10A or 9B ish. Like it matters? Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,153 BananaBucks : 246,372 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 2,921 Times Was Thanked 2,669 Times in 1,322 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 595 Times	Re: Winter Protection Zone 6 - Fingers Crossed I'm still interested in how the mummy wrap works. I used to talk with fig gardeners who used raincoats to cover their girls in the cold; apparently that's an old Italian growing trick. And some had them in pots so they could have them go dormant in an unheated garage. (Few took them into a greenhouse or living area.) We both lived in zone 7. Too lazy to deal with pots or babying the ladies, I left any one over a year old in the ground outside. Without a coat or blanket or leaf cage. some I lost (always had replacement baby figlets inside just in case) but most often I won. (Not the year Reagan's inaugural was held inside. Brrrrrr! Everybody save "Blackie" did fine; she died to her roots but rallied in the spring.) __________________

05-11-2014, 09:46 PM	#19 (permalink)
cvergrl Location: Connecticut Zone: 6 Name: Lynn Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 33 BananaBucks : 5,563 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 9 Times Was Thanked 17 Times in 9 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Winter Protection Zone 6 - Fingers Crossed After along extremely cold winter in Connecticut I unwrapped the Musa. The first pic is it unwrapped a week ago. The second photo is it's winter coat removed. The third pic is it a week later. One shoot that was wrapped has produced a new leaf. For everyone that doubted and criticized my method I will be nice and say anything is possible and keep learning.

05-11-2014, 10:36 PM	#20 (permalink)
Olafhenny Olafhenny's Photo Gallery Location: Penticton, BC, Okanagan Valley, Canada Find me on the map! Zone: Hardiness Zone 6 Name: Olaf Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,705 BananaBucks : 251,595 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 2,050 Times Was Thanked 2,012 Times in 876 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 77 Times	Re: Winter Protection Zone 6 - Fingers Crossed So where are the pictures? __________________ The reason I joined this forum was to share experiences, my own and those of others and to learn from them.

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