Bananas.org

Welcome to the Bananas.org forums.

You're currently viewing our message boards as a guest which gives you limited access to participate in discussions and access our other features such as our wiki and photo gallery. By joining our community, you'll have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Go Back   Bananas.org > Banana Forum > Species Bananas
Register Photo Gallery Classifieds Wiki Chat Map Today's Posts

Species Bananas Discussions of all the different wild species of banana (non edible), an aspect of the hobby that deserves its own section.


Members currently in the chatroom: 0
The most chatters online in one day was 17, 09-06-2009.
No one is currently using the chat.

Reply   Email this Page Email this Page
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 07-15-2007, 05:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
Member
 
barna's Avatar
 
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Zone: USDA 9a
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 99
BananaBucks : 31,582
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 12 Times
Was Thanked 19 Times in 12 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3 Times
Default Musa "PNG Highlands" and M. ingens

This M. "PNG Highland" is now about 1 year old and is about 150 cm (5' ) high. The seeds arrived in EU together with M. ingens from PNG.



Some people suggested in the Trebrown Forums it could be
Musa maclayi subsp. ailuluai
Musa maclayi subsp. maclayi
Musa schizocarpa
Musa boman


But we will probably have to wait until it flowers to really know to which species it belongs.

I also have two Musa ingens sprouted a couple of month ago and I would like to share a picture with all of you.



The plants are still small (about 15 cm high) and I have been fighting :2687: with fungus during they early stages (look at th old leaves ¡¡) but finally they seem OK

Does somedody has also any of this two species?. Any advice?

Please, keep you finger crossed.
barna is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To barna
Said thanks:

Join Bananas.org Today!

Are you a banana plant enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Bananas.org is owned and operated by fellow banana plant enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information. Receive all three issues from Volume 1 of Bananas Magazine with your membership:
   

Join Bananas.org Today! - Click Here


Sponsors

Old 07-15-2007, 06:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 130
BananaBucks : 61,286
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 0 Times
Was Thanked 85 Times in 17 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times
Default Re: Musa "PNG Highlands" and M. ingens

I have seeds of Ingens but have not had any luck getting a single one to germinate. I have germinated banana seeds before did you do anything special to them?

I would love to grow this species and have around 100 seeds planted but not a single start.
aroidgrower is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To aroidgrower
Old 07-15-2007, 10:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
*********
 
bigdog's Avatar
 
Location: Gainesville, FL
Zone: 8b
Name: Frank
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,003
BananaBucks : 746,795
Feedback: 7 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 213 Times
Was Thanked 1,788 Times in 503 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 131 Times
Send a message via AIM to bigdog Send a message via MSN to bigdog
Default Re: Musa "PNG Highlands" and M. ingens

Very nice! Like so many others, I too have tried M. ingens seeds with no luck. So, you are the guy from Spain that sprouted two of them! And it took over a year? Alternating temps? What temps?

That 'PNG Highlands' banana looks really nice also. That would be pretty cool to see it flower, especially if it is Musa maclayi. They get over 30 feet tall, and the bloom and fruits are upright like M. velutina (except on a much larger scale)!

Thanks so much for posting those pics!
bigdog is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To bigdog
Old 07-15-2007, 11:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
Moderator

 
Gabe15's Avatar
 
Location: Oahu, Hawaii
Zone: 12
Name: Gabe
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,892
BananaBucks : 13,348,710
Feedback: 5 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1 Times
Was Thanked 8,241 Times in 2,200 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Default Re: Musa "PNG Highlands" and M. ingens

I have one of the 'PNG Highland' and it has been difficult to grow, it seems to like cool temperatures (makes sense for a highland species). It is now held at the Denver Botanic Gardens and is still quite a small plant but I think it will do well, and perhaps in a year or so it will be a nice sized plant. I have been trying to figure out what species it is but it is so hard to tell without a flower. I am leaning towards M. boman because it was told to me that it highly resembles M ingens (but of course the seeds are different). I don't know how you could confuse M. ingens and M. maclayi (or any erect species for that matter), but M. boman and M. ingens do highly resemble each other. M. schizocarpa is also very distinct (with green buds) and I don't see how it could be confused with M. ingens, also I do not believe it to grow in the highlands.
__________________
Growing bananas in Colorado, Washington, Hawaii since 2004. Commercial banana farmer, 200+ varieties.
Gabe15 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Gabe15
Old 07-16-2007, 01:49 AM   #5 (permalink)
Tally-Man

 
MediaHound's Avatar
 
Location: Florida
Zone: 10
Name: Jarred
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,261
BananaBucks : 2,030,770
Feedback: 66 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,856 Times
Was Thanked 5,086 Times in 1,353 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2,086 Times
Default Re: Musa "PNG Highlands" and M. ingens

Thanks for sharing these pics!
Do you think we should start a page in the wiki for "PNG Highlands"?


Here's some other relevant pages in the wiki:
http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Ingens
http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_boman
http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Maclayi
http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_schizocarpa
__________________
Apologies in advance if I am slow to reply to your PM. I suggest posting in the forums for support if you need something urgent.
MediaHound is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To MediaHound
Sponsors

Old 07-17-2007, 04:05 PM   #6 (permalink)
Freezing member
 
mrbungalow's Avatar
 
Location: Bergen, Norway
Zone: 8
Name: Erlend
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 598
BananaBucks : 51,165
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 14 Times
Was Thanked 165 Times in 78 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3 Times
Default Re: Musa "PNG Highlands" and M. ingens

Barna, if that's really a Musa Ingens try to keep it cool (below 20 degrees C) at night. I am not talking from experience here, but from what I have read. I heard of someone, somewhere having to keep them in an airconditioned house during the nights!

Best of luck





__________________
mrbungalow is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To mrbungalow
Old 07-17-2007, 07:59 PM   #7 (permalink)
Member
 
barna's Avatar
 
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Zone: USDA 9a
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 99
BananaBucks : 31,582
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 12 Times
Was Thanked 19 Times in 12 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3 Times
Default Re: Musa "PNG Highlands" and M. ingens

I used three different methods for trying to sprout these seeds.

I put some seeds in a sealed Zip plastic bag with a humid paper towel in an polystyrene reptiles incubator at 28º C and connected to a timer. 12h per day

Some other were planted using the Mrbungalow's system (What seeds have germinated for you?) with the Reptile heating mat, el. timer, and plastic boxes with lids.




12h per day at 25-30ºC and the rest at room temperature (variable from 12-17ºC)

And the third system I used is a plastic propagator with turf cubes inside…and heated also with reptile heating mat in the same time and similar temperatures The two M. ingens I have, both sprouted from this last system



As subtract for the two last, I used a mixture of 1/3 perlite and 2/3 Compo © semilleros (seedlings)

Christian from banana swap is trying to positive identify the seedlings as M. ingens, Of course there is a small possibility I mislabeled them and they are in fact the PNG Highland. I will keep you informed.

I have not had any particular problem on growing the PNG Highland but the M, ingens needed more control an treatment as they showed initially a fungus disease.

I keep M. ingens them all outside in a semi-sheltered position were they get only the early morning sun and the were the temperature range from 30ºC during day to 16-17ºC during night.

Humidity is the only parameter difficult to control as it change a lot depending on the winds.

Thank you Erlend for your recommendation I will check night temperature staying below 20ºC

Here you have some more pictures







I will keep you informed
barna is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To barna
Old 07-18-2007, 06:07 AM   #8 (permalink)
Bananaswap
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 22
BananaBucks : 8,096
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 0 Times
Was Thanked 51 Times in 12 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Musa "PNG Highlands" and M. ingens

The unknown PNG species is without any doubt Musa maclayi ssp. maclayi var. maclayi.

I received them together with the Musa ingens seed from PNG, but hesitated to distribute them trough my Bananaswap site because at the time they were 'unknown'. Germination was by far easier then Musa ingens seeds, and I ended up with a few plants. Once the biggest one reached a good size for identification, I managed to get to the bottom of this mystery with the aid of the most recent publication on the wild banana species in PNG - Argent in the Notes of the Royal Botanical Garden Edinborough magazine (somewhen in the 70th). All known PNG species are described in great details.

Identification turned out very easy, as the very distinct features allowed to swiftly follow through all identification approaches published in the article.

Identification approaches were:
- Quick identification guide based on vegetative features
- shape of petiole cross-section
- shape and orientation of the leaf base
- Full textual description of vegetative features
Identification based on seed description prooved inconclusive, as to be quite frank the publication was not written to allow identification by seed alone, so this went bejond the scope of the publication.

Thanks to Argent, vegetative features are sufficient for most identification tasks, and seeing the flower is not a requirement for identification. He followed through both approaches, and I am grateful for this. Thank you Argent!!

The above steps proved that the plant is Musa maclayi. There are several subspecies and varieties. Based on the identification guides and full textual descriptions provided, the sub-species could be identified as Musa maclayi ssp. maclayi. The variety could not be identified without doubt based on vegetative features alone, for this floral characteristics would have to be considered. Nevertheless the habitats of the varieties are so distinct, that the variety can be identified based on location of collection. Location of collection is the PNG mainland. The other species are only to be found on very remote islands.

While talking about plant identification, a quick note on Musa ingens identification: There are two features that make this plant very unique in the context of all the other wild PNG species:
a) the seed size
b) the strongly revolute shoulders.

No other banana seeds from PNG are within the same size bracket - all other Musa seeds are smaller, only the only PNG endemic Ensete species is bigger.

I have never seen a banana plant with such strongly revolute shoulder! (Ok, Ok, I admit I don't know them all... :-) For those who don't know the term 'shoulder', it is the part of the petiole that surrounds the pseudostem at the point where the leaves emerge. In the case of Musa ingens it is rolling back outwards onto itself.

I hope this has cleared up some confusion.

Christian
Christian is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Christian
Old 07-18-2007, 05:05 PM   #9 (permalink)
Member
 
barna's Avatar
 
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Zone: USDA 9a
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 99
BananaBucks : 31,582
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 12 Times
Was Thanked 19 Times in 12 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3 Times
Default Re: Musa "PNG Highlands" and M. ingens

We were discussing today with Christian if my "little jewels" are or not M. ingens.
When I get the two different types of seeds I labeled as M. ingens A and B.

I thought I had corrected all the seeds identifications and put the correct name but...
I have not a definitive identification. I will wait for a couple of weeks and see if their shoulders get strongly revolute (I will keep my fingers crossed until then)
barna is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To barna
Old 07-18-2007, 08:13 PM   #10 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 130
BananaBucks : 61,286
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 0 Times
Was Thanked 85 Times in 17 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times
Default Re: Musa "PNG Highlands" and M. ingens

I believe I read somewhere that ingens do not sucker? Is this true if so are their other musa that do not sucker? So are seeds the only way this plant reproduces? This sounds like a it could be close in relation to the ensetes than most other musa species?
aroidgrower is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To aroidgrower
Old 07-18-2007, 08:45 PM   #11 (permalink)
Moderator

 
Gabe15's Avatar
 
Location: Oahu, Hawaii
Zone: 12
Name: Gabe
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,892
BananaBucks : 13,348,710
Feedback: 5 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1 Times
Was Thanked 8,241 Times in 2,200 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Default Re: Musa "PNG Highlands" and M. ingens

M. ingens definetly suckers, they are just so large that it would be hard to carry them out of the jungles, so seeds are pretty much the only option right now.
__________________
Growing bananas in Colorado, Washington, Hawaii since 2004. Commercial banana farmer, 200+ varieties.
Gabe15 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Gabe15
Old 05-13-2017, 06:31 AM   #12 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 3
BananaBucks : 937
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 0 Times
Was Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Musa "PNG Highlands" and M. ingens

who can help me to find musa ingens?
delina is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To delina
Old 05-13-2017, 06:31 AM   #13 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 3
BananaBucks : 937
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 0 Times
Was Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Musa "PNG Highlands" and M. ingens

who can help me to find musa ingens? please contact me to deliosav@hotmail.com
delina is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To delina
Reply   Email this Page Email this Page

Previous Thread: Ensete Superbum Plants?
Next Thread: Musa Ingens Availability





Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Musa basjoo hybrids and Musa "Californica Gold" Basjoofriend Banana Plants For Sale & Auction 11 03-04-2010 05:49 PM
Hardiness of Musa Sikkimensis "red tiger"? lwabirds Cold Hardy Bananas 8 04-26-2007 12:43 PM
Wanted: Musa sp Nov "Big flower" and dwarf namwah pearl tropicalkid Banana Plants Wanted 1 08-07-2006 09:53 AM
Pics from Musa "California Gold"??? Basjoofriend Main Banana Discussion 1 07-15-2006 09:27 PM
Huge, "1 gallon", musa itinerans for sale bigdog Banana Plants For Sale & Auction 5 10-18-2005 12:19 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:36 PM.





All content © Bananas.org & the respective author.