Jack Daw

Hello there,
a friend of mine has just recently got a pup that was labelled as Manzano. Since I didn't know this cultivar (I had heard the name before, but didn't really care), I would like to ask, for a better picture:

Is Manzano also the cultivar carrying the name Apple, Pome, Silk and Brazilian? Or are there some differences?

I looked at we be bananas and they were all listed as the same. In that case, if I have Dwarf Brazilian, can I say, that it's the smaller version of Manzano with appropriatelly smaller fruit or is it from different cultivar?

WE BE BANANAS say:

Thanks for any input. Just care to know, what it actually is, this nomenclature of bananas gives me a headache.
Brazilian = Pome = Silk = Apple = Manzano?

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Bob

Hi Jack......hope we never meet on a plane.....Manzano is known as an apple banana in the U.S. Brazilian and I believe Dwarf Brazilian are known as "Hawaiin Apple". These terms are tough on a lot of us. Hope this helps.

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Jack Daw

But I meant plant sold in USA as Manzano, is it really the same as Brazillian?

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Bob

Nope , 2 different plants.

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Richard

Last year I did some research on cultivar names and synonyms. There is more consensus among publications of the last 2 decades than in prior years. Here's what I came up with, although I don't claim it to be 100% correct or the last word on the subject:

• Apple Banana of Africa: synonym of Manzano, genetics AAB in the Pome group.
• Apple Banana of India: synonym of a Mysore, genetics AAB in the Mysore group.
• Brazilian: an AAB cultivar of the Pome group.
• Manzano: an AAB cultivar of the Pome group.
• Pome: an entire subgroup with AAB genetics that includes: 1000 Fingers, Brazilian, Dwarf Brazilian, Dwarf Ladyfinger, Golden Pillow, Kalela, Lady Finger, Manzano.
• Silk: an entire subgroup with AAB genetics that includes: Latundan, Maca, Rasthali.

and for good measure:

• Mysore: an entire subgroup with AAB genetics that includes: Belle, Chini Champa, Kappa Pazham, Karpuravalli, Kathali, Kluai Nom Sawan, Kunnan, Mysore (a specific cultivar), Nendran, Pisang Ceylon, Rajapuri, Safet Velchi, Walha.

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Gabe15

A lot on confusion comes from the fact that (as you can see), there are many different cultivars all over the world that are called Apple, so the name is not very helpful.

On the mainland US: 'Apple' is synonymous to 'Manzano' which is in the Silk AAB subgroup. 'Brazilian' is synonymous with 'Hawaiian Apple' which is in the Pome AAB subgroup.

In Hawaii: 'Apple' is synonymous with both a few different forms of 'Brazilian' (tall and dwarf) in the Pome subgroup. 'Manzano' are usually either called 'Manzano', 'True Apple' or 'Lady Finger', however 'Lady Finger' is also one of those names that applies to so many different plants that it's become pretty useless.



Additionally...

'1000 fingers' in the AAB subgroup Pisang Kelat

'Safet Velchi' and 'Chini Champa' are AB Ney Poovan subgroup.

'Kunnan' is an AB, but I can't find any reference to a subgroup.

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Bob

Gabe if you happen to get back to this post : are you familiar with "kalela" I've only seen it at agristarts and they're never available. Supposedly its a sport of D. Brazilian so would that also be considered "Hawaiian Apple". I have to guess there's no "official" ruling but interested in what you think.

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Gabe15

You are right in that there is no real official correct names for anything, its basically just lists of synonyms, but there is still an order to it. I don't know anything about 'Kalela', but if it is a sport of 'Dwarf Brazilian' (there are actually quite a few different forms even), then it would not be synonymous with 'Hawaiian Apple' because being a sport, it should be different, and thus 'Kalela' is a perfectly fine name.

I have really slow internet and can't do the type of searches and research I would normally be able to do, so check out the MGIS and see if you can find any info.
Welcome to MGIS

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Bob

Thanks man, will do.

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