Gros Michel - Page 2

hatfam · 07-23-2009, 05:27 PM

I would like a Coco if it is similair to a Gros Michel. I will have to grow it in a container.

Thanks
Tom

conejov · 07-23-2009, 05:41 PM

I've said it once and I will say it again.

SHARING IS CARING!

john_ny · 07-23-2009, 06:19 PM

Elizabeth - As I said, this was many years ago, (probably before you were born) so it might have very well been the "original" strain. I, also, didn't pay too much attention because, at the time, bananas were bananas to me. However, Mr. Roberts (who had built the doctor's house, and most of the hotels on the island) and was also a dedicated horticulturist, (he owned the book, "Exotica", which in 1970's dollars was several hundred dollars) relayed the info about, the GM being slightly smaller, to me.
As I think back the place was really great. I had asked some of the locals to bring me plants, from the jungle, for which I would pay, and one time, a guy down the road, who maintained Doc's landscaping, while he wasn't there, brought me a 40 foot vine. It was a vanilla orchid.

Gabe15 · 07-23-2009, 07:00 PM

In blind taste testing, I like to give people (fresh harvested) Gros Michel, Cavendish and Goldfinger side by side. Almost always, Gros Michel is a clear winner and much preferred. People tend to like Goldfinger the least of the 3, some even dislike it.

In terms of flavor, I would agree that Gros Michel and Cavendish are similar, but Gros Michel tends to have a much stronger, aromatic, classic-banana flavor and is noticeably more dense. Cavendish also tend to be relatively mealy in texture, Gros Michel is relatively smoother/creamier, something like a...unusually rigid but still good cream cheese??? I cant really think of a good descriptor, but its reminiscent of a creamy texture.

Having thought about all that, compared to other bananas that can be tart, or sour, or dry, or starchy, they are very similar to each other.

lorax · 07-23-2009, 07:06 PM

Firm and creamy the same way that fresh Chanvre (goatsmilk cream cheese) should be, but with a more definite "banana" bouquet than Cavendish, without any "grainy" mouth feel the way that Cavendish has. It's also a little bit more crisp than Cavs are in terms of the feel of the bite.

I also do blind tests (with GMs, Cavs, and Sedas), and GMs always come out the clear winner.

mike · 07-23-2009, 07:58 PM

Ok I am sold. I am getting that fever again.

Dalmatiansoap · 07-24-2009, 08:53 AM

Well, this all means only one thing. Go for Mikey Ante!
Action now!

OK, I ll wait for the list

.

Jack Daw · 07-24-2009, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalmatiansoap

Well, this all means only one thing. Go for Mikey Ante!
Action now!

OK, I ll wait for the list

.

"Not all that glitters is golden (meaning precious)." Our saying.

lorax · 07-24-2009, 09:42 AM

And often golden things are bananas....

Jack Daw · 07-24-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lorax

And often golden things are bananas....

That's why I wrote golden and not precious.

harveyc · 07-24-2009, 03:21 PM

Wow, have been busy working on a seed list and missed this discussion. I'm definitely interested!

John, whatever happened to yours? Did you just decide it was too hard to grow such a tall banana in your climate?

john_ny · 07-24-2009, 03:55 PM

Harvey, That was in the 1970's; a very long time ago, and at that time, a banana was just a banana, another tropical plant. I know I sold some of them, and the ones that hit my ceiling were given to the doc. (whose vacation house we were staying at, when I got them) He put them in an indoor pool room he had at his house, here. He actually got fruit on them. Of course, at that time, if anyone wanted to buy any, I sold them, never thinking that I should try to keep a pup, or two, to perpetuate the line.

Jack Daw · 07-24-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by john_ny

Harvey, That was in the 1970's; a very long time ago, and at that time, a banana was just a banana, another tropical plant. I know I sold some of them, and the ones that hit my ceiling were given to the doc. (whose vacation house we were staying at, when I got them) He put them in an indoor pool room he had at his house, here. He actually got fruit on them. Of course, at that time, if anyone wanted to buy any, I sold them, never thinking that I should try to keep a pup, or two, to perpetuate the line.

Ou yeah, the sins of our youths.

shkm · 07-25-2009, 03:35 AM

I purchased one from a grower on Ebay a year ago. i planted it, watered, fertilized it and it is now only 3 feet tall. I think I got ripped off.

Bananaman88 · 07-25-2009, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorax

Firm and creamy the same way that fresh Chanvre (goatsmilk cream cheese) should be, but with a more definite "banana" bouquet than Cavendish, without any "grainy" mouth feel the way that Cavendish has. It's also a little bit more crisp than Cavs are in terms of the feel of the bite.

I also do blind tests (with GMs, Cavs, and Sedas), and GMs always come out the clear winner.

OK, OK- stop teasing us already and get your darned export license!!!

lorax · 07-25-2009, 02:42 PM

Tell that to the Ecuadorean government, please.

Jack Daw · 07-25-2009, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorax

Tell that to the Ecuadorean government, please.

Well, if I started to persuade them, there wouldn't be any goverment left very soon after that.

Just get your citizenship paperwork done and everything will be smooth then. Beth, our tropical dealer...

Bananaman88 · 07-27-2009, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorax

Tell that to the Ecuadorean government, please.

Hmmm...that might just set the whole effort back! I'll just try to be patient.

Ohio'sBest · 07-28-2009, 02:50 PM

From what I've read the GM fruit is/was the best for Commercial production. How does the fruit of the Gran Nain compare to GH?

lorax · 07-28-2009, 03:05 PM

Horribly. GN is mealy, mooshy, and low on flavour. Plus it's smaller.

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