Has Anyone Tried This? If so, What were your Results?

Jananas Bananas · 07-23-2010, 08:12 AM

I have a very large corm which has several "eyes" on it. I have read about stressing the corms to stimulate pupping. I thought and thought about this and wanted to try this. I haven't really seen anything on this, this way - but maybe I just haven't queried the words properly in the search mode. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has tried this and what their results were.

The corm has not flowered and currently in a growing stage. I took a decent size chunk out of the corm centering around a prominent eye. About the size of a generous piece of cake. The corm is planted in the ground and I have planted the eye as well. Comments and suggestions appreciated! Thanks!

~JaNan

Gabe15 · 07-23-2010, 08:30 AM

Yes, this works just fine, although its sometimes better they go into containers first so you can make sure they stay moist since they can dry out very easily in this stage. There are methods in which you can go even further and get many more plants from one corm than simply looking at the number of "eyes" (larger apical buds) it has. The techniques in general are called macropropagation and you may find some information on some of the methods if you search with that term. Even very small corm pieces can sprout new shoots so long as there is a bud. I am currently working on a small, illustrated guide to show the different macropropagation methods.

Abnshrek · 07-23-2010, 08:40 AM

So what kind is it? :^) Inquiring minds wanna know :^)

Jananas Bananas · 07-23-2010, 08:43 AM

Thanks GABE! That is what I wanted to hear. This is how I planted the eye - the pot is 1 gallon placed inside a 2 1/2 gallon container that has water in it. I thought watering from the bottom would be best. I will search again using macropropagation!

This has probably 75 to 80 percent Perlite with the balance is organic compost. Should I decrease the Perlite ratio, since it pulls moisture away? There is good condensation on the lid.

~J

Jananas Bananas · 07-23-2010, 12:18 PM

This is a pretty good article. I like the ones with pictures that actually show what and how they are doing it.

Rapid multiplication of plantain and ... - Google Books

Here is a picture of the corm I am using:

~JaNan

LilRaverBoi · 07-23-2010, 12:52 PM

You can easily propegate from a large plant by just chopping it off at the base. It will put all its energy into producing pups (and often makes quite a few). You can also chop it off, dig it up and just hack the corm into pieces and toss them somewhere shady. If they get watered and don't dry out too badly, they'll usually grow into new plants. You don't really have to do anything special with them....toss them in a compost pile and forget about them LOL.

Thanks for this story....let us know how it turns out!

Jananas Bananas · 07-23-2010, 01:08 PM

Not exactly what I want to do with a corm that I've put this much money into Doc! HA! HA! Cut it up and throw it in the shade and wishful think. NAH! Basically I want my cake and want to eat it too. I want to keep my corm intact and let it grow AND make numerous pups at a more rapid rate than if letting nature take it's course. This macropropagation seems like a good way to go. We'll see what happens, I'll let you know!

~J

CValentine · 07-23-2010, 01:08 PM

WOW Janan!! There has been significant growth of that banana since I was there 5 days ago!! Watching with enthusiasm & wishing you success!! :-D ~Cheryl

LilRaverBoi · 07-23-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jananas Bananas

Not exactly what I want to do with a corm that I've put this much money into Doc! HA! HA! Cut it up and throw it in the shade and wishful think. NAH!

Awww....you don't like the hack-and-hope method? It works pretty well, actually!

Jananas Bananas · 07-23-2010, 01:36 PM

Cheryl I think is has grown literally about a foot since you were here! WooHoo!

No, Doc - even if it does work well I don't think I want to try that!!!! I'm a tad bit more cautious than that, though maybe not much. This thing cost more than my California Gold and Ae combined! I figured you all would think I was crazy doing this much!

~J

Dean W. · 07-23-2010, 02:27 PM

Great going...keep us posted on the results.

DoctorSteve · 07-23-2010, 02:30 PM

Plants from Test Tubes: An introduction to Micropropagation by Lydaine Kyte & John Kleyn

Justin · 07-23-2010, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jananas Bananas

This is a pretty good article. I like the ones with pictures that actually show what and how they are doing it.

Rapid multiplication of plantain and ... - Google Books

Here is a picture of the corm I am using:

~JaNan

What variety is that?

Gabe15 · 07-23-2010, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jananas Bananas

This is a pretty good article. I like the ones with pictures that actually show what and how they are doing it.

Rapid multiplication of plantain and ... - Google Books

Ya that is an ok one, but it really is actually weak on explaining what to do and there are some improved methods involved too to get the most out of each corm. I just need to finish the photo sets and then I'll be done, should be a in the next few months. I'd rather post it once and just be able to refer to it than keep writing the same thing over and over again, and plus without the proper photos its somewhat hard to conceptualize exactly what to do.

Jananas Bananas · 07-23-2010, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe15

I'd rather post it once and just be able to refer to it than keep writing the same thing over and over again, and plus without the proper photos its somewhat hard to conceptualize exactly what to do.

Understandable - and that's why I like photos to go along with the text.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoctorSteve

Plants from Test Tubes: An introduction to Micropropagation by Lydaine Kyte & John Kleyn

No test tubes! I don't have a lab - that's for the experts here like Gabe and Novi. I just want to piddle with some of this stuff in my backyard.

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Originally Posted by Justin

What variety is that?

It is a supposed "edible" variegated banana from Thailand.

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Originally Posted by Dean W.

Great going...keep us posted on the results.

I will Dean!

~J

harveyc · 07-23-2010, 04:27 PM

This was discussed a year ago at Propagation through corm cutting (see Jon's photos in post #15).

Good luck!

Jananas Bananas · 07-23-2010, 10:06 PM

Thanks Harvey! I hope it works with just one! ~J

buckeye5755 · 07-24-2010, 11:34 AM

I just recently cut a 24 inch pup off of my Dwarf Ladyfinger. It was the only pup the plant ever had, and I got the plant in August of last year. This was 1.5 weeks ago. It has now sent up 5 pups since then. I only cut the pup because the mother plant was slowing down very much, and I was hoping to get faster growth in the summer this year.

pitangadiego · 07-24-2010, 08:19 PM

Jananas Bananas · 07-25-2010, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pitangadiego

Hi Jon! How many of these actually grew into pups for you? Do you have any pictures of them? I know in the link for this thread you said 5 out of the 9 were good enough to make pups.

I just cut one out of the corm leaving the original corm intact and re-planted the big corm - I did not cut it up. I was curious if any one had done this (replanting the original corm) and if it affected the mother corm and if the removed eye made a pup or pups. ~J

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