'Hua Moa' freakazoid sport - Page 2

jrozier · 07-14-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chong

Ever thought of adding soil to the point that the p-bulb is an inch below the soil line? I think the reason it's doing that is that most of the nutrients are on the upper layer of the soil, then below that there is not much nutrients. Or the lower portions of the soil does not get aerated, or conversely, even watered, at all.

I have potted it lower twice now. It is the only banana that I have had this problem with, so I was thinking it must be something to do with the plant itself....but it could be the potting mix I suppose.

jrozier · 08-03-2008, 10:15 AM

Gabe, have you gotten any new leaves on your Hua Moa? Are yours growing like a fan - sort of 2 dimensional?

Gabe15 · 08-03-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jrozier

Gabe, have you gotten any new leaves on your Hua Moa? Are yours growing like a fan - sort of 2 dimensional?

It's growing fine, but the leaves grow in the double spiral like any normal Musa.

jrozier · 08-25-2008, 05:21 PM

This is the picture of the other one....posted here a while ago. If you click on it you can read his description. As I recall he said that the nursery where he got it had about maybe 20 of them...he only bought a few.

Dean W. · 08-25-2008, 07:47 PM

Wow, that is weird!

harveyc · 08-25-2008, 08:40 PM

I just bought a dwarf 'Giant Tanna' from the owner of that 'Hua Moa' and thought about inquiring into one, but already bought a regular form from Sandy recently. It is pretty cool, though!

damaclese · 08-26-2008, 09:44 AM

This is just a thought.! Isn't there a condition that develops when you clone from a clone for many generations?. I believe this is called repplicant fading. The genetic material begins to degrade or differentiate from the original geneoms paturn?. For example a human cell can only divide five to seven times then the cell dies this is primarily due to the gene fraing at its ends. If my observations are true this is a good example as to why cloning is a negative in the long run. we are alwas talking about biodiversity
So I asked this question how is Tc synonymous with biodiversity?.
I think it's important that if one is going to go mucking around the genome that we fully understand the nature of these genetic variations. If 60% of the world depends on bananas for their starch this is an important food crop. This may appear not to relate to our little hobby but in fact it does these tissue culture labs are making plants of an inferior genetic quality. Without regard to the consequences to the world's Food Supply. I know this may sound alarmist but really consider the consequences

Gabe15 · 08-26-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by damaclese

This is just a thought.! Isn't there a condition that develops when you clone from a clone for many generations?. I believe this is called repplicant fading. The genetic material begins to degrade or differentiate from the original geneoms paturn?. For example a human cell can only divide five to seven times then the cell dies this is primarily due to the gene fraing at its ends. If my observations are true this is a good example as to why cloning is a negative in the long run. we are alwas talking about biodiversity
So I asked this question how is Tc synonymous with biodiversity?.
I think it's important that if one is going to go mucking around the genome that we fully understand the nature of these genetic variations. If 60% of the world depends on bananas for their starch this is an important food crop. This may appear not to relate to our little hobby but in fact it does these tissue culture labs are making plants of an inferior genetic quality. Without regard to the consequences to the world's Food Supply. I know this may sound alarmist but really consider the consequences

It is true that if you keep using the same line you will get an increased rate of "off-type" mutants. However, this is most commonly seen among the retail end of the science that sell to nurseries in bulk. The people who do research or produce the plants for farmers (such as the lab I work for), know this can be a problem and take the needed actions. In our lab, we only subculture a line 5 times. If we run out material, we go collect a fresh field grown sucker before re-culturing any of our old stock that is at its limit. This greatly reduces the occurrence of off-types and keeps our lines uniform.

damaclese · 08-26-2008, 07:05 PM

thats good to know gabe but not all labs are that scrupulous!

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