Viper1436

Which light system is better in your opinion? I'm leaning more towards Apollo - Amazon.com: Apollo Horticulture GLK1000UM42 1000 Watt Grow Light Digital Dimmable HPS MH System for Plants Vertical Umbrella Hood Set: Patio, Lawn & Garden

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jbyrd88888

New Apollo 400W 600W 1000W Watt HPS MH Digital Ballast Grow Light Dimmable Bulbs | eBay
YEAH man you found a good one. . . EBAY is the only way to go you got know by now?

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Viper1436

Amazon

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Richard

Neither.

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jbyrd88888

Apollo Horticulture 1000W Watt Magnetic Grow Light Hydroponic MH HPS Ballast | eBay
I got one of these. . . I considered a dimming one but WHY??? really you would only want to control your light cycles by changing your timer settings. . . It might come in handy for something I can't think of? "EDIT2: extending the life of the bulb?"
"EDIT1: EBAY works VERY well with paypal at resolving issues from allll my past experiences my Refunds have always worked well in my favor."

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jbyrd88888

I will say I use my Amazon account for the promotional and discounted prices/discount codes they throw at me in ad emails, that are impossible to find anywhere else (last resort). . . nowhere around here does anyone sell 1-1/4" Clear Polyvinylchloride Heat Shrink Tubing. . . I would never pay for the Amazon Prime membership though. . . would you?
Paypal has been good to me.

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Viper1436

Ive had amazon prime for the past 2 years let me tell you, its the most amazing thing ever to get free 2 day shipping on everything and 3.99 for expedited 1 day shipping, you have no idea how convenient it is, not to mention EVERYTHING on amazon is a lot cheaper than eBay. I used to be an eBay fanatic but since I discovered amazon a couple years ago, I rarely use ebay, and im poor now.

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Viper1436

Do you know of a better grow light richard?

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Viper1436

amazon prime doesn't make sense unless you buy stuff all the time which I do. I buy everything on amazon, saves me so many trips to the store and its way cheaper than buying in the stores.

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Snookie

10-69 on Amazon I like DAT me!

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G.W.

no need for a dimmable ballast
no need for a digital ballast
no need for a ballast that will run MH

600w hps conventional ballast about $120
2x Mogul base about $10
3x 600w hps bulbs about $35
30A DPDT relay with 120v coil about $25
Some 14ga romex dirt cheap or use 12ga ext cords
Generic 2 prong timer $5
Homemade batwing reflectors FREE from paint cans or wire frame and aluminum foil
The whole deal will be less than $200 and the relay allows 2 bulbs in seperate locations to run 12/12 from a single ballast.

Hey at least you weren't asking about LEDs......

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Winter losers, kohala longan, misi luki, 80% jackfruit seedling loss

first bloomers, HUA MOA, DC, D NAMWAH, FHIA 17, KANADARIAN, RAJA PURI, M D NAMWAH

best bunch FHIA 17 , undisclosed

WORST BUNCH hua moa, 2 fingers

jbyrd88888

Can I get an AMEN up in here? ! ! !

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Viper1436

why not mh?

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jbyrd88888

G.W. = Ganja Washington right?
EDIT: I do like my MH switches though

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G.W.

So now I actually went and looked and am surprised digital ballasts have come down so much


Apollo Horticulture GLK600GW19 600 Watt Grow Light Digital Dimmable HPS MH System for Plants Gull Wing Hood Set:Amazon:Patio, Lawn & Garden
I MIGHT maybe order this if it got good long term reviews from some growers.

Other than that I'd stay away from digital simply becUse conventional always have such a good track record.
Let's be clear that conventional ballasts are nearly bulletproof and provide excellent service life in extreme conditions EVERY SINGLE DAY and some run 24/7/365.
Digital ballasts are so much fad and reinventing the wheel.

Also, peeps were having trouble running digital with relays.
Better coverage could be had with flouros of the t8 36w variety in a 4 bulbs parallel config.
Forget the t5 hype.
For $200 you could get 4 x t8 4 bulb fixtures and cover lots of floor, though a relay will allowthe same with the hps.

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winter winners, jackfruit, carambola, hua moa, d namwah, hak ip lychee with pink leaves 2 days before a cold snap eeeek!

Winter losers, kohala longan, misi luki, 80% jackfruit seedling loss

first bloomers, HUA MOA, DC, D NAMWAH, FHIA 17, KANADARIAN, RAJA PURI, M D NAMWAH

best bunch FHIA 17 , undisclosed

WORST BUNCH hua moa, 2 fingers

G.W.

Lower efficiency.
600w hps is the king of efficiency , save the lps which only emits a very narrow range and is beyond the scope of this convo.

http://davidgulyas.typepad.com/.a/6a...5146324970c-pi
Here is a dummy chart
You can look up HID lumens per watt and get a better set of numbers as there is a range for each chemistry.
Ie. not all hps wattages are as efficient as the 600.
150 w hps is only slightly better than T8 36w flouros, and then service lumens and bulb life come into play.
But I digress.

If you want a switchable ballast then buy hps and put a switch on the ignitor.
+ igniter = hps. - ignitor = mh
A dual pole 20A 120vac switch will work fine, just dont leave it swaying in the breeze, boxes are cheap.

These switchable ballasts are for pot growers who would like increased blue spectrum during vegatative growth phase and increased red during flower phase.

GW = Gratewhitehuntr, a nik coined while I was in highschool. (Long before the OTHER GW applied a liberal coating of TAINT to my beloved nik)

AMEN !!!!!!!

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winter winners, jackfruit, carambola, hua moa, d namwah, hak ip lychee with pink leaves 2 days before a cold snap eeeek!

Winter losers, kohala longan, misi luki, 80% jackfruit seedling loss

first bloomers, HUA MOA, DC, D NAMWAH, FHIA 17, KANADARIAN, RAJA PURI, M D NAMWAH

best bunch FHIA 17 , undisclosed

WORST BUNCH hua moa, 2 fingers

jbyrd88888

I have been released free of sin. . . now ima haul as$ outta here with everyone else that is afraid to post their experience
Hmmm hydroponic-bananas indoors would be cool ? I wonder . . .

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G.W.

I just grew a hydro namwah in 25gal coco coir, pine bark and gravel.
nutes were milorganite, aged urine and sulfate of potash

It flowered in 120% of the rate of identical plants in ground next to it. roughly 3 months later.

Unfortunately a microburst of freak winds toppled it and being 12ft pstem and with fruit it was broken in half.

I could not grow that indoors.

Over the winter I produced considerable content related to indoor growing but alas it was lost in a hard drive failure.

Edit
it would be more accurate to call that banana SOILLESS instead of hydro and I'll add that it was also on my fertigation system receiving urea, MOP, and some AMS on the same schedule as plants in ground.

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winter winners, jackfruit, carambola, hua moa, d namwah, hak ip lychee with pink leaves 2 days before a cold snap eeeek!

Winter losers, kohala longan, misi luki, 80% jackfruit seedling loss

first bloomers, HUA MOA, DC, D NAMWAH, FHIA 17, KANADARIAN, RAJA PURI, M D NAMWAH

best bunch FHIA 17 , undisclosed

WORST BUNCH hua moa, 2 fingers

Richard

For fruiting plants grown in soil-less media - esp. indoors, I would recommend NPK ratios of 4:4:7, or more precisely 11:12:21. So for example, an urea-free fertilizer with NPK values of 8-8-14 would be appropriate.

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Viper1436

but MH color temperature (5600 aprox) is a lot closer to the color temp of natural sunlight, hps color temp is like 2000 "aprox" why does it make sense to use hps all the time then?

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