My Ae Ae mat update.

bananimal · 03-16-2014, 02:50 PM

Last fall I did 2 things to prevent the pup damp off that happened last season.

Pegged the main mama and shut off all irrigation to that area. The pegs shut off the growth of the mama which died off later when the short frost hit us. Theory being energy transfers to the suckers. Six pups surfaced and 2 are tall right now. Last seasons follow up is still hanging in there - right side of pic.

Richard · 03-16-2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bananimal

... Theory being energy transfers to the suckers ...

I think "resources" would be a better description than "energy".

cincinnana · 03-16-2014, 04:45 PM

I do not fully understand pegging, is this common practice to force growth to the pups?
Does it cause a slow death to the main stem or are you just starving it for the benefit of the pups without the true shock of just cutting it off.

mm4birds · 03-16-2014, 06:43 PM

Did the main plant fruit or was this done because you thought it wouldn't make it through the winter? Also why peg as opposed to cutting the main plant down to 3-4 feet (would this not have the same affect? Why not just leave the main plant to produce more energy through the leaves which would stimulate growth of the corm?

PR-Giants · 03-16-2014, 06:56 PM

By pinning the main plant, you're just preventing it from maturing and producing new leaves. The current leaves will continue to collect energy for their normal life expectancy and the corm and roots will continue to grow. It's a simple and extremely effective way of producing more pups without having to use the resources of the main corm.

This system prevents the problems associated with decapitation and false-decapitation.

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Originally Posted by cincinnana

I do not fully understand pegging, is this common practice to force growth to the pups?
Does it cause a slow death to the main stem or are you just starving it for the benefit of the pups without the true shock of just cutting it off.

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Originally Posted by Richard

I think "resources" would be a better description than "energy".

bananimal · 03-16-2014, 08:19 PM

There were no leaves anymore. I said frost right? The pegged mama corm then did it's thing and shot the pups. I'll be digging out the 5 and 3 foot ones and pot them up. The remaining surface pups, as well as those still below, will be lifted together with the mama corm and go in a big pot. May get 6 to 10 more. Will probably plant it in a higher elevated location. The follow on will be on it's own to fruit in late summer.

Man ----- I lost 16 pups last winter --- not happening again!

The clever pegging idea came from a member just south of me.

PR-Giants · 03-16-2014, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bananimal

There were no leaves anymore. I said frost right? The pegged mama corm then did it's thing and shot the pups. I'll be digging out the 5 and 3 foot ones and pot them up. The remaining surface pups, as well as those still below, will be lifted together with the mama corm and go in a big pot. May get 6 to 10 more. Will probably plant it in a higher elevated location. The follow on will be on it's own to fruit in late summer.

Man ----- I lost 16 pups last winter --- not happening again!

The clever pegging idea came from a member just south of me.

I'm almost sure that I said "normal life expectancy of the leaves", right?

What's normal after a frost?

... and southeast is more accurate.

Are you still getting positive growth on the smaller pups?

If not, you probably want to change your plans.

cincinnana · 03-17-2014, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

By pinning the main plant, you're just preventing it from maturing and producing new leaves. The current leaves will continue to collect energy for their normal life expectancy and the corm and roots will continue to grow. It's a simple and extremely effective way of producing more pups without having to use the resources of the main corm.

This system prevents the problems associated with decapitation and false-decapitation.

I am intrigued by this method. Is there a maturity or size limitation for this to work and does your plant already have to be pupping?
Will this method force it to pup if no pups are visibly present?
I have done the decapitation method with positive results but I would like to try this hobbling method also.

Abnshrek · 03-17-2014, 09:39 AM

I think Dan's use of this Method is spot on.. Other than a bent stem from a weather system or big corm weak mother for some reason.. and not wanting a sub-standard harvest.. I think Azomite or rooting hormone do the job.. :^)

mm4birds · 03-17-2014, 11:17 AM

how do you peg a plant? any videos or literature on this technique?

bananimal · 03-17-2014, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cincinnana

I am intrigued by this method. Is there a maturity or size limitation for this to work and does your plant already have to be pupping?
Will this method force it to pup if no pups are visibly present?
I have done the decapitation method with positive results but I would like to try this hobbling method also.

No to the first question. Yes to the second. As long as the mama corm isn't rotting. That's what I wanted to find out! Doesn't look like it. When I get the whole corm dug up I'll count the buds. And do surgery on any rot. The 2 big pups will be severed before I lift the main corm. To protect their roots.

bengal tiger nanas · 03-17-2014, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bananimal

No to the first question. Yes to the second. As long as the mama corm isn't rotting. That's what I wanted to find out! Doesn't look like it. When I get the whole corm dug up I'll count the buds. And do surgery on any rot. The 2 big pups will be severed before I lift the main corm. To protect their roots.

and if the corm is rotting?what do you do?

cincinnana · 03-17-2014, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bananimal

No to the first question. Yes to the second. As long as the mama corm isn't rotting. That's what I wanted to find out! Doesn't look like it. When I get the whole corm dug up I'll count the buds. And do surgery on any rot. The 2 big pups will be severed before I lift the main corm. To protect their roots.

Cool Thx ......more ? to follow.

bananimal · 03-17-2014, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bengal tiger nanas

and if the corm is rotting?what do you do?

Cut away or scoop out any rot. Like when a dentist drills out tooth decay -- stops when he gets to healthy material. If the majority of the corm mass is solid it will be fine when potted. I also sprinkle mycorrhizae powder on the roots. And add worm castings to the mix.

Richard · 03-18-2014, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bananimal

Cut away or scoop out any rot. If the majority of the corm mass is solid it will be fine when potted. I also sprinkle mycorrhizae powder on the roots. And add worm castings to the mix.

And add a teaspoon of potassium sulfate.

bananimal · 03-18-2014, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

And add a teaspoon of potassium sulfate.

Good tip thanks. Still have some 0-0-50 potassium sulfate ultra fines from Diamond K left over. I usually use it to force bloom faster.

PR-Giants · 03-18-2014, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cincinnana

I am intrigued by this method. Is there a maturity or size limitation for this to work and does your plant already have to be pupping?
Will this method force it to pup if no pups are visibly present?
I have done the decapitation method with positive results but I would like to try this hobbling method also.

It was originally explained to Dan as a concept and very little thought was put into the idea.

"Insert 2 small pins at 90 degree angles that pass through the center shaft at nearly the same level."

I prefer to have the actual experience before giving advice, so I used my aeae to run the initial experiment. I regretted doing it immediately after inserting the first pin, the damage was slight but obvious and after about a half minute of profound thought the technique was replaced with a less evasive method. The original method is still very effective when implemented properly but clearly driving large stakes completely through the pseudostem would cause excessive damage.

Some the leaves on my aeae are still good and the corm is still producing healthy roots 5 months after being pinned.

PR-Giants · 03-18-2014, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bananimal

Cut away or scoop out any rot. Like when a dentist drills out tooth decay -- stops when he gets to healthy material. If the majority of the corm mass is solid it will be fine when potted. I also sprinkle mycorrhizae powder on the roots. And add worm castings to the mix.

The "scoop da rot" method has the potential of working, but with the Hawaiian varieties I'd recommend confirming the actual cause of the rot first. If you don't have the proper equipment on site then send a sample out for a professional analysis. You might find that with the correct diagnosis it's easier to prevent the rot than it is trying to stop it. Adding worm castings will only exasperate the problem.

mm4birds · 03-18-2014, 06:27 PM

I prefer to have the actual experience before giving advice, so I used my aeae to run the initial experiment. I regretted doing it immediately after inserting the first pin, the damage was slight but obvious and after about a half minute of profound thought the technique was replaced with a less evasive method. The original method is still very effective when implemented properly but clearly driving large stakes completely through the pseudostem would cause excessive damage.
what is the less evasive (invasive) method you are using?

cincinnana · 03-18-2014, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR-Giants

It was originally explained to Dan as a concept and very little thought was put into the idea.

"Insert 2 small pins at 90 degree angles that pass through the center shaft at nearly the same level."

I prefer to have the actual experience before giving advice, so I used my aeae to run the initial experiment. I regretted doing it immediately after inserting the first pin, the damage was slight but obvious and after about a half minute of profound thought the technique was replaced with a less evasive method. The original method is still very effective when implemented properly but clearly driving large stakes completely through the pseudostem would cause excessive damage.

Some the leaves on my aeae are still good and the corm is still producing healthy roots 5 months after being pinned.

Thx for the answer.... More ? To follow...

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