hydroid

With all the whoplah going on about the real Ice Cream aka Blue Java, I just thought I would post this for the folks trying to get that elusive plant. We have them here where I work in the Marshall Islands and they are very hardy out here, they get very tall and faily easy to grow and fairly resistant to the salty tradewinds we get. But the Mysore seems to be a better tasting fruit not only by me but also the local Marshallese people. It's (Mysore) just a little more finiky to grow here. The local name for Mysore is "300" because they say that they have as many as "300" bananas in a bunch.
Blue Java which is considered a cooking banana by the locals are simply called the "Cooking Banana". It's not a bad tasting banana by any means but not my top preferance. One of the best tasting bananas I've had was a Dwarf Cavendish in Bermuda and a Manzano in Texas, and of course the local Mysore here. I am thinking that the Ice Cream I purchased back home is not really an Ice Cream at all but a "Tall Namwah" instead, and I am thinking that I'll enjoy the fruit just as well if not better than Ice Cream. Please know that I am not an expert and this info is only relative, and mostly my personal preferance and only trying to provide the members with info that they may not get due to their location and growing zone. Your milage may vary.
Bo

caliboy1994

I know for a fact that they have it at San Diego Botanical Gardens. pitangadiego also has it I believe.

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sunfish

I have 1,sdpanther has 1.venturabananas has 2 and somebody else got one from me. Whoohoo

RandyGHO

Bo, I think you make a very good point. As long as I get a good tasting banana, the name becomes less important.

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Illia

Being one of those people who likely have a handful of tall Namwahs and not the true Ice Cream, this post is pretty helpful for me. I'm aware though and have seen an increasing amount of posts that don't seem to shed a good light on the flavor of the true Ice Cream, but, I think it is worth trying. It's like getting a Veinte Cohol, yeah sure so far the flavor from personal experiences online here seem to be rather sad, but, it's worth a shot for me. The short and quick growth and ripening are surely something to try! Same with the Ice Cream - hardy, beautiful blue color, and a flavor worth experimenting I'd say is good enough for me.

I'm just wondering what the chances are, though, that my first Ice Creams I got last year were true to type. When I bought them it wasn't from a huge nursery and they didn't seem like TC plants, so, who knows.

Abnshrek

I can say mine was all green. I liked the fact it was hardy. I wasn't putting it in a pot to get banana's in 3-4 years. :^)

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RandyGHO

Mis-marked banana plants from places like Lowes and Walmart makes banana identification even worse. Then how many of us have planted something, did not write it down or mark it then forget what it is or which one was planted where.

Like fruit trees, a lot of bananas look the same until they fruit.

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Nicolas Naranja

Nurseries often get their stock from sometimes unknown sources. I had a few nurserymen come by my farm to dig corms that they would then split and pot and a lot of things can go wrong between the source and the consumer. This is impractical advice to most people but if you want a variety of a certain banana either buy from someone who is a banana expert or actually take a look at the plant you are getting the sucker from. Off types exist. I know I must have had 4-5 different bunch phenotypes for Hua Moa.

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Julian

How sure are you that it is really Blue Java?

caliboy1994

Well you live in Hawaii, so it's almost certain you have the real Blue Java

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hydroid

Julian....It has been identified by Gabe, and the fruit have the bluish greenish flouresent hue. This is the most common banana cultivar where I am presently working in the Pacific. The Ice Cream here is looked at the way we look at the common and local "Orinoco" back along the Gulf Coast. My post was mostly to encourage our members who either don't have the IC or maybe they are not for sure.

Julian

Just checking. It seems to be an elusive nana.

hydroid

You're right, it may be a pigment of my imagination.
Bo

Julian

Good one.

Darkman

Hey!

You bring your pigmented imagination back home and we'll get some coffee and argue about it!

Make sure you bring some bloom closeups for evidence since you can't bring the banana. What is it? One month, One week and four days?

I posted some Ice Creme/Blue Java/Tall/Namwah/Orinoco bloom pics in my Ice Creme thread.

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Julian

When I bought a Ice cream from a local nursery a few months ago, I asked a worker about the taste of ripened Ice Cream and Dwarf Orinoco because they were side by side.. He said, that the Ice Cream is pretty good, and that the Dwarf Orinoco was not that good ripe, but that it was good for cooking. He then said I should buy the Dwarf Apple.

hydroid

Julian...I think ice cream would taste a little better than Orinoco but I have to go with the guy who said my favorite is the one that's blooming, he he.
Charles....39 days and counting WOOOHOOO!!! And I'm seeing all those pics you are posting and I'm soooo envious. By the way, that really looks like Goldfinger to me.
I'll get lots of closeups of the Ice Cream while I'm here.
Bo

Jose263

Bo you gave me an IC pup back in October 2010 - it now has several pups but has not flowered yet even though I winterized the last two winters.
This plant has a pinkish center stem and pink borders on the leaves.
The pup is about 10-12 feet high. Does that sound like an IC?

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Darkman

Hi Jose,
I'm 0 for 2 on IC. I think I got mine the same day you did. I believe Bo was told the wrong name when he got his.

Sound good I'll get some coffee beans ready.

Julian,
I found nothing wrong with the taste of "ripe" Orinoco. Compared to the standard store bought they were a smoother creamier and I thought good flavor. I can't wait to try my Goldfingers and a "real" Blue Java.

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Jose263

Charles - thanks for the info - have you figured out what variety the IC imposter might be?
Unfortunately, my Goldfinger pup from Bo didn't make it thru the 2010 winter. Man, your nanas look great. You must be doing something right.

Forgot to mention. My orinoco patch has nanas. didn't see them til the purple cover dropped to the ground
Patch is very thick with pstems - maybe I'll thin out this season. Only a couple of hands but hope I'l be eating home grown this year.
How long should they take to ripen?

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