Lodewijkp

HI

i know that if u cut maurelli to the ground it wil produces more pups, if you do this with other species wil the same happen ?

actually recently i cutted my ensete to the ground , what temperature do you need for the ensete.M to create pups ? is 15 C ok ?

NANAFIC!

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the flying dutchman

This is done just because ensetes seldom produce suckers. There are threads
and pictures about this subject wich you can find with the search-box.

Other bananas normally produce suckers but I can't say if they produce MORE
suckers if you cut them down, if thats your question?

Ron

dablo93

I should put it by 25 degrees because then it will grow much faster

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inkcube

on the plantation after fruit harvest we leave the mother for a period of time to help the follower (sucker) grow. after the daughter has reached a certain size we cut down the mother plant. we rarely get any new suckers after removing the mother plant, about 10% of the time we will get a new sucker.

in trials with musa in which the mother has been removed without suckers, new suckers appeared after a time, appearance was dependent on the temperature. rarely more than one will appear - about 12% sent up 2 suckers. these plants were grown at 27C (80.6F)

keep in mind this is for musa, i can only assume ensete would do the same.

the flying dutchman

Thank you Inkcube, I think that answered the question..

Here is the thread about the ensete propagation.

Ensete Maurelii propagation?

Ron

bencelest

Inktube: Please tell me just how tall is the sucker before you cut down the mother plant?
I made a mistake by cutting the mother when the sucker was very small less than a foot before. For a period of time means........

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inkcube

bencelest, the mother is cut to a height of 2 m at the time of bunch harvest. leaving the mother alive helps feed the daughter sucker to insure good fruit production on the daughter. the mother is left for 2-3 months, sometimes longer, after fruit harvest. suckers will be at least 1-2 m tall or taller before the mother is finally removed, sucker height depends on cultivar. some farmers leave the mother to eventually die and decay.

keep in mind these are farm practices designed to get optimum bunch production. we will often remove the smaller extra sword suckers and move them to a shade unit/greenhouse. this is done to fill gaps in the line that appear for various reasons and to start new fields. these smaller suckers will sit without sending up new leaves for a while as the root system develops.

we follow similar practices with plantains and often remove small sword suckers, once well established we sell them at local markets.

bencelest

Thanks Inkcube for a very important information to a lot of people here.
I am saving this for future reference.

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inkcube

you're more than welcome!

Lodewijkp

wow thanks for a the replies !

wil cutting down the motherplant increase the growth of the pup?

what is the difference between a sword pup and a normal one at fruit producement at later stage ?

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bencelest

I don't think so. The mother will give its remaining nutrients to her pups so cutting the mother plant will tend the pups to sought its own nutrients somewhere else. So the pups growth will slow down and will affect the fruit size of the pup. Sort of a mother not able to give milk to her child.
I think a sword pup is the norm. That's what you want to grow. It is the fastest growing pup whereas the pup that has large wider leaves on its first few leaves grows pretty slow and much smaller in height and P-stem. At least that's my experience.

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inkcube

no, we leave the mother to increase sucker size & bunch size, the sword daughter gets is nutrients and energy from the mother. it has been shown that leaving at least 2 m of mother plant alive will increase bunch size by 12-15%, it also decreases the harvest time of the daughter plant by 5-8%, we have seen up to 10% decrease in some years.

we never allow water suckers to live, we only allow sword suckers to be followers. typically a water sucker takes longer to reach fruiting age and the bunches are typically smaller in weight. water suckers have a weak connection to the mother so are slower to get up to size due to spending their energy.

microfarmer

Thank you for the lesson on commercial mat management.

I was ready to chop the mom down as soon as the fruit was harvested, but now I'm gonna wait a bit, at least til the pup's close to full size, or at least til winter comes...

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austinl01

How can you tell the difference between a sword pup and a sucker pup? Please educate this redneck!

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island cassie

Inkcube - I agree with you in that I have found that leaving the mother plant in place until it starts to die back makes for a better replacement plant. Stands to reason that the vigour from the original plant can be returned to the mat and invigorate the new pups.

Cassie

inkcube

sword suckers have narrow leaves and a wide rhizome base, while water suckers have broad leaves and a narrow rhizome base.

sword suckers have a strong physical connection to the mother that allow them to receive energy from it, while water suckers have a weak connection and receive little nourishment from the mother plant, thus they develop the broad leaves to capture sun to produce their own energy. these suckers rarely develop into a vigorous plant - at least not in the field.