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Here's a SH-3640 photo from a highly respected member that grows near you, maybe he can help you.

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servatusprime

Why...........that looks exceptionally like mine

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Good luck with that.

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I would agree that we should have very similar weather patterns, but I would be very surprised if we have the same soil.

If I assume that the two varieties currently in question in my yard are FHIA hybrids (let's hope that's a safe assumption) and consulting the FHIA identification guide I believe I can rule out:

1. All plantains are out.
2. FHIA 17, 23, and 25 since the two varieties I have both have hanging rather than perpendicular bunches.
3. FHIA 2 can be ruled out since both of my varieties have clean rachis
4. FHIA 18 can be ruled out because I don't recall a thin purple line on the petiole.


So I think out of the FHIA possibilities that I could likely obtain in the hobby trade I'm left with FHIA-1 and SH-3640.

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It's strange that you're not even considering offtypes. TC labs worldwide invest time & money to keep their source material accurate and production of offtypes low. Your TC lab does not.

If your source material is an offtype, there's a good chance you won't be producing Goldfingers.

Also, there are many Goldfinger, other FHIA, & SH offtypes intentionally in TC production.

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You make good points and yes I was not considering offtypes. The SH-3640 should be correct given the source (unless he had one too many beers while digging up the pup and picked the wrong one) or it's an offtype from his mat which i suppose is possible.

I'll admit I don't know much about offtypes in TC production and I should educate myself. I only made a guess that the source is agristarts, I'll contact the nursery to confirm. If I have foolsgoldfinger (patent pending), I'm still happy with it. It's attractive, productive, and tasty.

The research continues.......

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After doing a little looking, it seems that offtypes can contribute to a fair amount of variability in a variety. So what do you do with that? I guess you could be a purist and say only the "real deal" with a confirming DNA test will do or throw out what you got if its qualities are undesirable.

From what I've read so far (not a vast amount) it seems that the change in an offtype is not predictable and not necessarily detrimental. The change could be very minor and essentially have the desired variety. Of course on the other hand, the change could be so significant that some one wants to declare it a new variety all together.

Unless you have a significant meaningful change, I don't see a reason to say that it isn't the intended variety. (For some reason I can't help but think of dog breeds like a Jack Russel Terrier which has significant variability in appearance characteristics yet they are all the same breed according to the experts)

I'll do some more looking, but so far I'm not convinced that I don't have a FHIA-1 and SH-3640 in my yard. I'm not looking to prove myself right, so if I'm wrong or botanically misguided, let me know. I'm keeping my goldfinger or foolsgoldfinger or what ever it is because I like it. (If I have a new variety I'll have to come up with a better name and become famous)

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Once you have a plant the name becomes less relevant for you. The name is really only useful when conveying information with others so that each party knows they are talking about the same cultivar.

In a "Taste Report" it's really only important to get the taste correct, which actual cultivar you're tasting probably is less important.


Look at these SH-3640 photos and find the SH-3640 that looks different than the others. You can use a Jack Russel Terrier for assistance, if you don't have a Jack Russel Terrier then use any dog, but be sure to call it a Jack Russel Terrier.

Hopefully this helps, Good Luck!

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I tried asking my dog, but he is only half Jack Russel, so he's no help.

Thanks for the side by side comparisons. I'm gonna look through my computer and see if I have better photos from my yard. I think that one is a little dark and therefore a little more difficult to evaluate.

I do see some similarities and differences. The coloring of your plant seems to be very similar to the TARS photo, where as mine and Bananimal's has red in the p-steam and at the edges of the petioles. The bell shape of your flower seems similar to Bananimal's (a little more elongated) whereas mine seems more similar to the TARS photo. Also the length of the fingers relative to the girth seems to be a little longer in your plant with the other three being more similar to each other. The petals of the flowers in mine do seem a bit purple, but I wonder if that has anything to do with the lighting. Like I said I"ll see if I can find another photo or two and compare the two flowers I've had since planting this mat.

Is there anything in the climate/soil that can influence some of these things such as color? I believe I've heard of that here on the forum before, but I haven't researched it for myself yet.

That's what I see, but I'm just a novice. Hope I'm not irritating you. I would like to think our supplier sent us both the same plant.

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Start at page 22

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Before I start making a matrix of attributes, would you mind answering my question in my earlier post? The one regarding climate/soil affecting color and perhaps other characteristics. And for that matter can't there be allowance for some level deviation and still be considered the same variety?

I've heard people talk about climate/soil variation in general on the forum, although in my wanderings on the internet I haven't found an abundance of information on the topic (e.g. science paper). I might just be looking in the wrong places though.

In the meantime, here is a few more photos I was able to dig up from the first flower this mat produced. Unfortunately, I don't have any for the second flower. (My life at that time was chaotic)






Have a great night.

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It's not an SH-3640.

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Ok. I'll read it and get back to you. You know a lot more about this stuff than I do.

Where did that photo come from by the way? It looks like a great reference.

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