What's blooming in your garden? (bananas) - Page 42

eddiemunozep · 02-21-2014, 02:56 PM

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I could be wrong because I am not an expert on climate, but I'm pretty sure than sea surface temperature anomalies are not the same as El Nino, which involves more than just SST. In other words, there are warm SST anomalies when there is an El Nino, but having warm SST anomalies does not mean there is an El Nino occurring.

Whatever the case, it would be great if we got some rain!

I am praying earnestly for rain. We are on well water only! Last winter we got 9 inches and only 4 inches so far this winter. I have been importing water since July 2012.

Richard · 02-21-2014, 04:08 PM

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... We are on well water only! Last winter we got 9 inches and only 4 inches so far this winter. I have been importing water since July 2012.

eddiemunozep · 02-23-2014, 11:12 AM

My dwarf Orinoco is pushing out the flower faster now.

Compared to many of you all its no big thing but I am excited. Moved this pup from the back of the house to full sun back in June 2013.

ez · 02-23-2014, 01:33 PM

Another Manzano bunch and my parrot it's a Sun Conure (Aratinga solstitialis) he likes to eat banana fruit and plants.

robguz24 · 02-23-2014, 01:40 PM

The inflorescence on my A'ea'a was so tiny I didn't expect more than a few fruit. It does seem to be developing several small hands. Not sure why, as that plant has been pretty happy and well fed. The bunch is much smaller than the one I got from this mat last year.

bananimal · 02-24-2014, 09:11 AM

How much potassium did it get and how often?

robguz24 · 02-24-2014, 12:23 PM

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How much potassium did it get and how often?

The same amount as all my others, maybe a bit more. Monthly 13-3-37 and occasional 0-0-51. The biggest difference is last year there was only 1 big p-stem, and this year there are 3 about the same size.

Richard · 02-24-2014, 04:18 PM

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The same amount as all my others, maybe a bit more. Monthly 13-3-37 and occasional 0-0-51. The biggest difference is last year there was only 1 big p-stem, and this year there are 3 about the same size.

The feeding program seems fine. However, the corm or localized network of corms has fixed resources. If you're feeding three the diet of one, then on average 1/3 bunches would be expected.

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Maybe the - University of Hawaii at Manoa - feeding program will work in Hawaii.
New banana zone

That's what some students decided to do in their garden. For the actual feeding program recommended by the tenured professors for cultivation in Hawaii, see the link to the CD posted elsewhere at bananas.org.

robguz24 · 02-24-2014, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

The feeding program seems fine. However, the corm or localized network of corms has fixed resources. If you're feeding three the diet of one, then on average 1/3 bunches would be expected.

That's what some students decided to do in their garden. For the actual feeding program recommended by the tenured professors for cultivation in Hawaii, see the link to the CD posted elsewhere at bananas.org.

It's all very unscientific what I do, but I tend to use more on bigger mats. But 3X more, I'm not sure. It may be a water issue, as it's in the rain shadow of my house and up against the edge of my planting areas. A mat of DBs which has roots under my regularly watered lawn gives me the biggest bunches of anything I grow and gets no more fertilizer than these A'ea'es even though it usually has 5+ p-stems.

I appreciate the suggestions!

PR-Giants · 02-24-2014, 10:34 PM

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That's what some students decided to do in their garden. For the actual feeding program recommended by the tenured professors for cultivation in Hawaii, see the link to the CD posted elsewhere at bananas.org.

Don't confuse the feeding recommendations for a large plantation with that of a garden or small farm.

No one is going to recommend a few million wheel barrels of compost, it's just not practical.

Try reading some scientific literature on small farms in India, Africa, & the Caribbean,

see the links posted elsewhere at bananas.org.

Most studies report around a 25% loss in bunch size when using chemical fertilizer instead of compost.

Why would someone actually want to pay money to get less fruit?

Between the 3 simplest ways to feed a Banana plant,

Chemical Fertilizer is the Least Effective, but it's better than doing nothing.

# 1 - Composted Plant Material

# 2 - Composted Manure

# 3 - Chemical Fertilizer

Richard · 02-24-2014, 10:47 PM

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Happy New Year!

Nicolas Naranja · 02-25-2014, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

Why would someone actually want to pay money to get less fruit?

The difference is the improvement in soil quality versus nutrition. But, I imagine there are limits. I don't imagine that adding compost to my already humus rich soils is going to be any more beneficial than adding fertilizer. However, I always recommend to people that buy my suckers that they heavily amend their sandy planting holes.

robguz24 · 03-03-2014, 04:10 PM

FHIA-18 (supposed to be anyway). 9 months from planting keiki taken from the mother plant planted 27 months ago in a shady spot and still hasn't flowered. Was very surprised to see this flowering already. Only about 7', but virtually everything I grow tends to be shorter than stated elsewhere, particularly with first blooms. Already going to have at least 5 hands.

Anyone growing FHIA-18 please weigh in. The inflorescence is a bit unique in that it was long and skinny, with each bract rolling back tightly. Female flowers totally yellow/white. P-stem is quite colorful and skinny. The reddish seems to be correct for FHIA-18, but is true for many cultivars. Kind of reminds me of pictures I've seen of Rose.

bananimal · 03-04-2014, 01:23 AM

It's prolly a Namwah.

venturabananas · 03-04-2014, 02:23 AM

Rob, doesn't look right to me for FHIA-18. The leaves should be drooping, not as erect as those on your plant (at least they appear that way in your photos). The p-stem and petioles seem too colorful, too. Lots of red and not enough dark blotches at the petiole bases. Could be the climate or something else, but if I had to bet, I'd bet no.

robguz24 · 03-04-2014, 02:47 AM

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Rob, doesn't look right to me for FHIA-18. The leaves should be drooping, not as erect as those on your plant (at least they appear that way in your photos). The p-stem and petioles seem too colorful, too. Lots of red and not enough dark blotches at the petiole bases. Could be the climate or something else, but if I had to bet, I'd bet no.

Thanks Mark, the one thing that until now made me think it was correctly FHIA-18 was the bioversity international guide to FHIA bananas http://growables.org/information/Tro...HIAhybrids.pdf where it says on p.6 that the p-stem is "reddish, no blotches or very few blotches" for both FHIA-02 & 18. The picture of FHIA-02 looks a lot like mine, but mine are much shorter. There isn't actually a picture of 18 in the whole guide and I haven't been able to find good pics anywhere for comparison. At least I'll have a good idea of the fruit size and shape in a few months, and the male bud sooner.

venturabananas · 03-04-2014, 02:52 AM

There are some photos of FHIA-18 in the "Catalog of introduced and local banana cultivars in the Philippines" which you can find on the internet. I assume they are of accurately identified plants. They look like the ones I have anyway.

ez · 03-04-2014, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by robguz24

Thanks Mark, the one thing that until now made me think it was correctly FHIA-18 was the bioversity international guide to FHIA bananas http://growables.org/information/Tro...HIAhybrids.pdf where it says on p.6 that the p-stem is "reddish, no blotches or very few blotches" for both FHIA-02 & 18. The picture of FHIA-02 looks a lot like mine, but mine are much shorter. There isn't actually a picture of 18 in the whole guide and I haven't been able to find good pics anywhere for comparison. At least I'll have a good idea of the fruit size and shape in a few months, and the male bud sooner.

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Originally Posted by venturabananas

There are some photos of FHIA-18 in the "Catalog of introduced and local banana cultivars in the Philippines" which you can find on the internet. I assume they are of accurately identified plants. They look like the ones I have anyway.

Thanks Mark and Rob
I added it to - Links To Help Identify Your Banana

robguz24 · 03-04-2014, 01:52 PM

The narrow, pointy remaining bud really looks more like on cavendish types than pome types. I don't think it will have the herringbone appearance once it is putting out male flowers. There is also this, which I'm not sure I trust given what they show for Mysore fruit.
http://miami-dade.ifas.ufl.edu/pdfs/...%20Florida.pdf

Julian · 03-08-2014, 08:53 PM

Not sure how much of a difference FHIA1 and 18 are(not much), but my supposed FHIA1 has droopy leaves.

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robguz24 Rob Location: Kalapana, Hawaii Find me on the map! Zone: 11 Name: Rob Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,506 BananaBucks : 267,505 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 1,320 Times Was Thanked 4,961 Times in 1,080 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 204 Times	Re: What's blooming in your garden? (bananas) The narrow, pointy remaining bud really looks more like on cavendish types than pome types. I don't think it will have the herringbone appearance once it is putting out male flowers. There is also this, which I'm not sure I trust given what they show for Mysore fruit. http://miami-dade.ifas.ufl.edu/pdfs/...%20Florida.pdf __________________ My micro-farm Stay on my Big Island banana farm cottage

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