Need quick help for germination

crawler · 10-16-2009, 07:14 AM

Hi banana experts.

I have the following species to germinate :

Musa zebrina blood banana
Musa ornata purple
Musa laterita
Ensete perierii
Ensete ventricosum

I have the following recources at my possession:

1. Plastic zip-lock bags
2. Hydrogen peroxide 3% (my wifes - usually used for wounds, but I will steal it)
3. Some cheap potting soil
4. Perlite
5. Sand (not sterile)
6. Room temperature
7. Heating radiator (with solid 30-35 C above it - depending on distance)

So, I need advice how to germinate this babies

P.S. I think it is important to say, that I'm expirienced in germinating bananas, so I dont need any basic instructions.
I need advice regarding this exact bananas / ensetes, such as germinating temperatures and stuff.
Thank you

jmoore · 10-16-2009, 09:01 AM

Germination guide

This thread should be a lot of help. Read from the first post to the last. It helped me.

crawler · 10-16-2009, 02:01 PM

I meant, that you give me the advice for these exact species, depending on your actual expiriences

Christine1950 · 10-17-2009, 08:41 AM

Do a search on each species, there is tons of info here that has already been discussed

crawler · 10-19-2009, 02:44 PM

Ok, can you at least tell me how to use 3% Hydrogen peroxide, in order to sterilize my seeds ?

Lagniappe · 10-19-2009, 03:47 PM

Banana seeds have always germinated best for me in non-sterile conditions.

jmoore · 10-20-2009, 03:48 AM

yep, me too. I wouldn't bother with the hydrogen peroxide. Could do more harm than good.

crawler · 10-20-2009, 07:52 AM

I will take the risk. There is no progres without a little experimenting.

So, for how long should I soak the musa / ensete seeds in 3% H2O2 to sterilize them and hopefully help germination ?
And, should I soak them in H2O2 at the begining of regular 48 hour soak in warm water, or at the end ?

Thank you

cherokee_greg · 12-11-2009, 11:27 AM

I received some banana seeds. I have not a glue how to begin and can I store them for later use ? Help please
Thanks

lorax · 12-11-2009, 11:58 AM

This is going to horrify you, Crawler, but I belong to the absolutely non-sterile conditions camp of banana seed germination. I like to soak them in rainwater for 2 days, then suck on the seeds for about 10 minutes while contemplating the lovely plants they will become. Then they get planted into compost and left on the back of the fridge (a situation not unlike your radiator) until they sprout. Using this method, I have a nearly 100% germination rate for Musa, Ensete, Heliconia, and Canna.

I have never been particularly specific about germination temperatures or special techniques, but the one time I did try to do this in a sterile environment, only one out of 10 of my seeds sprouted.

Bob · 12-11-2009, 03:01 PM

oh another member sucking on the seeds to make sure they succeed!

Wonder where you got that idea?

Dalmatiansoap · 12-11-2009, 03:22 PM

Hmm, I was allways wondering how U can talk to plants with mouth full of seeds? Tryed many times and they have never understand me a bit.

jmoore · 12-11-2009, 03:57 PM

You suck on the seeds? What do they taste like?

Bob · 12-11-2009, 04:05 PM

Not a lot of flavor James! This is something Tog Tan started it was a joke here for a while. Still the last ones I tried ended up in the pie jhole.

lorax · 12-11-2009, 05:05 PM

Really? Maybe it's a tropical thing. And I was sucking on seeds before Tog ever brought it up - it's the best way to remove the membranes from Papaya seeds before drying them for shipping, and it's also the best way to expose Annona seeds to the requisite enzymes that allow them to germinate. Much easier than feeding them to Cuys, that's for dang sure.

crawler · 12-13-2009, 06:15 AM

OK,

after a month, I have germination rate under 10%.

9 Plants aut of 125 seeds.

THIS IS NOT GOOD !!!!!

jmoore · 12-13-2009, 10:09 AM

sounds par for the course to me. Which species? There are a lot of unviable seeds about.

10-16-2009, 07:14 AM	#1 (permalink)
crawler Location: Great Wood Zone: 7 Name: crawler Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 20 BananaBucks : 19,424 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Need quick help for germination Hi banana experts. I have the following species to germinate : Musa zebrina blood banana Musa ornata purple Musa laterita Ensete perierii Ensete ventricosum I have the following recources at my possession: 1. Plastic zip-lock bags 2. Hydrogen peroxide 3% (my wifes - usually used for wounds, but I will steal it) 3. Some cheap potting soil 4. Perlite 5. Sand (not sterile) 6. Room temperature 7. Heating radiator (with solid 30-35 C above it - depending on distance) So, I need advice how to germinate this babies P.S. I think it is important to say, that I'm expirienced in germinating bananas, so I dont need any basic instructions. I need advice regarding this exact bananas / ensetes, such as germinating temperatures and stuff. Thank you Last edited by crawler : 10-17-2009 at 06:36 AM. Reason: Ading explanation

10-16-2009, 09:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
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10-20-2009, 07:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
crawler Location: Great Wood Zone: 7 Name: crawler Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 20 BananaBucks : 19,424 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Need quick help for germination I will take the risk. There is no progres without a little experimenting. So, for how long should I soak the musa / ensete seeds in 3% H2O2 to sterilize them and hopefully help germination ? And, should I soak them in H2O2 at the begining of regular 48 hour soak in warm water, or at the end ? Thank you

12-11-2009, 11:27 AM	#9 (permalink)
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jmoore jmoore 's Photo Gallery Location: Lowestoft, UK Zone: 8a Name: James Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 766 BananaBucks : 121,680 Feedback: 4 / 100% Said "Thanks" 192 Times Was Thanked 799 Times in 373 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 71 Times	Re: Need quick help for germination You suck on the seeds? What do they taste like?

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Bob Orang Puteh Bob's Photo Gallery Location: Washington Twp N.J. Find me on the map! Zone: 6a Name: bob Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,528 BananaBucks : 209,328 Feedback: 12 / 100% Said "Thanks" 9,537 Times Was Thanked 4,058 Times in 1,694 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 565 Times	Re: Need quick help for germination Not a lot of flavor James! This is something Tog Tan started it was a joke here for a while. Still the last ones I tried ended up in the pie jhole. __________________

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lorax Banned lorax's Photo Gallery Location: Ecuador, South America Find me on the map! Zone: USDA 13 / Köppen-Geiger BSh Name: Lorax Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,532 BananaBucks : 310,044 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 742 Times Was Thanked 3,040 Times in 1,188 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 464 Times	Re: Need quick help for germination Really? Maybe it's a tropical thing. And I was sucking on seeds before Tog ever brought it up - it's the best way to remove the membranes from Papaya seeds before drying them for shipping, and it's also the best way to expose Annona seeds to the requisite enzymes that allow them to germinate. Much easier than feeding them to Cuys, that's for dang sure.

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crawler Location: Great Wood Zone: 7 Name: crawler Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 20 BananaBucks : 19,424 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Need quick help for germination OK, after a month, I have germination rate under 10%. 9 Plants aut of 125 seeds. THIS IS NOT GOOD !!!!!

12-13-2009, 10:09 AM	#17 (permalink)
jmoore jmoore 's Photo Gallery Location: Lowestoft, UK Zone: 8a Name: James Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 766 BananaBucks : 121,680 Feedback: 4 / 100% Said "Thanks" 192 Times Was Thanked 799 Times in 373 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 71 Times	Re: Need quick help for germination sounds par for the course to me. Which species? There are a lot of unviable seeds about.

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