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ElGuineoNicaraguense

Wow, I used to live right near those volcanoes that you saw in the beginning of the trailer. I remember people standing in the backs of pickup trucks damning the bananeros.

Nicolas Naranja

Ultimately, the problems of the workers fall into the laps of the consumers who demand a a perfect looking banana. I understand that people don't realize what it takes to get that fruit to the table but unfortunately it takes gallons upon gallons of pesticides. In a few short weeks the planes will start flying over my house to deliver toxic chemicals to sweet corn and green beans because god forbid that a bean had a spot on it or the sweet corn was genetically modified.

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Jack Daw

Curious, I watched the entire movie and must admit that I had no idea such animal-like treating had been going on in banana countries occupied by Dole company.
But in the end, they are neither first nor last big company to exploit the "poorer" countries of 3rd, 4th and other worlds.
It's just money. It's always been.
Ever since it was invented.


I laughed my ass off on this one.


Well one day they won't be dependant on foreign money and will live happier lives.
They deserve it.

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I went to the website and watched a trailer for the film. I figured that it was nothing more than a banana worker exploitation film vs Dole. Thats what I got from the trailer.

There is a bit more to it than that. There seems to be subtle undercurrents about who is using the victims more, Dole or the Plaintiffs Attorney.

It looks to be an interesting film.

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Was it more than that?
I am only going off the trailer and the website film clips, did they delve into the attorney representing the bananaeros?

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Here is Dole's response to the judges reaction to the lawsuit.
DBCP Conspiracy of Fraud on Vimeo
The film maker even shows this film at the LA Film Festival.

The attorney is Juan Dominguez a personal injury lawyer in LA.

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bigdog

Yep...always two sides to every story. Is this Swedish movie a documentary, objectively explaining both sides of the story, or more like a Michael Moore fantasy film that only shows one side of the story and tries to tug at your emotions by painting the big corporation as the bad guy?
Sounds like some attorneys trying to make a lot of money for themselves, to me anyway.

Frank

momoese

This case is already over isn't it? What I mean is what is there to even talk about.

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I like to get a local perspective on the attorney involved.

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One thing that I despise is corporations skirting what is morally right. If Dole was operating in the USA they would have to train their workers and observe restricted entry intervals and generally follow all the pesticide and OSHA laws of the USA. Those laws are there to give the employee the respect and rights that they deserve. I cannot stand it when an American goes elsewhere and completely denies workers in another country the rights and respect that workers in their home country are given. We should be demanding that the people in other countries that provide our goods have the same rights and privileges that we enjoy here in the USA. And I am not saying that they need to get paid $7/hr or something like that either.

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Abnshrek

Dole... Starbucks... the same thing just different product-line... If they weren't growing coffee or banana's they might be growing a $$ crop eating bananas and drinking coffee..

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damaclese

what do you mean Starbucks? how are Dole and Starbucks comparable we don't own a singal hectare of any coffee plantations nor do they employ any farmers in any way to grow or harvest Coffee we buy more coffee directly from farmers then any other coffee company and we started the fair trade buying system where by farmers are compensated at the going end market rate which is as much as 10 times the rate other coffee company's pay for coffee beans we do not spray pesticides we Ade farmers in learning to grow coffee in a green and bio sustainable way we were ethical in are practices before it was hip we have been doing business this way sines the beginning in 1983

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Abnshrek

slave labor is slave labor.. oops must have struck a cord. When you buy the right people people don't dig for the truth... yeah sound like corp bs to me. I don't see them doing anything here but selling in the u.s. Its almost like buying junk from china is a good thing.

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perhaps I'm not as hip as you but i don't really understand most of what you have said to me wile i find the use of slang fine on an every day bases it complicates the understanding that is required in am more in depth conversation.

that being said all do my best to rebut what i believe you are saying up until recently SB has one of the highest corporate responsibility ratings by Forbes magazine. look it up! the totals for the amount of money spent and donated to charity are a mater of public record. don't get me wrong. you don't know me as well as many of the other members here. I'm the first in line at demonstrations against the excesses of US Co so don't think I'm some sort of corporate America automaton. when i picked Starbucks to work for i looked vary in depth at there over all employ treatment and they way the worked in are community iv worked for some vary bad Co's like Hillhaven Corp which was so unethical the US dept of Laborer sued them to have there license to operate suspended indefinitely and won! iv been used and abused by corporate America so if I'm defending starbuck which in no was is a statement that i believe they are perfect but as far as US co go there pretty descent to us on the hole and as far as what they give us i personally know many people that have worked for or are currently working for SB that have received the various funds that are offered my manger just finished a 4 year deg in Anthropology payed for entirely 100% by starbucks to the total of about 50,000$ US thats pretty high level of devotion to an employ don't you think? and i know for a fact because i personally have participated in the program that we build schools and water treatment facility's for poor people all over the world and not only in foreign country's but here in the US to we just built a water facility in the appellation mountains in the last 3 or 4 years i don't ember the exact place as i wasn't involved with that we built a rode in to the mountains of south eastern Columbia so that the natives wouldn't have to carry 100lb bags of coffee beans on there backs to the nearest sales point so 90mils away so you tell me that I'm sum sort of corporate BS agent you don't know me that well I'm ethical to the core i was raised in and ethical home were social responsibility was not only tot but was demonstrated daily i would not work for Starbuck or any other Co i felt was in it totally for the money its not my way id rather starve right along with the poor coffee growers then be involved with that kind of life! and i see a hole hell of a lot of the Socially misaligned yups standing in line for there skinny lattes bitching because there 1/4 inch of fome on the top of their cup and they think we are cheating them out of product for it sorry if thats ranting but you went vary sensitive to my feelings by what you side above so i don't think i have to be ether and lastly based on what i said in my previous post you couldn't possibly determine my my complete position on the subject as i didn't not provide you with enough information to make the assertion you did!

Is that Your Truth or My Truth or some one elses Truth I would really like to hear from you a better more complete explanation of were you are coming from and what you actually mean by you statements beacons all i here is ridicule and cynicism and if your really want to Chang my mind about the Co i work for you are going to have to give me a bit more then the corporate slave mongers line i have no idea what area you were Born in but that ones older then my Grate Grate Grandma and just as Stael

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Not sure if its related to the dropped lawsuit, but Dole will be a public company again this week. They have an Initial Public Offering on 10/22.

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Abnshrek

Dole's IPO isn't anything more than a debt relief action. If they max out the IPO its an extra $71.4 Million.. I'd drop the lawsuit too...

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