just j

yup if worred about all that stuff u talk to the grubs than tell them to say off my property and i wont use harsh chemicals by the way those chemicals have my lawn looking better than profesional golf corses

Lagniappe

Nobody disputed the fact that chemicals work.
There are beautiful landscapes all around which use fertilizer salts, fungicides, and pesticides.....they work. What was said is that these other methods work,often better, and are sustainable. This means that they will continue to do their job while having no adverse affect on the micro-flora of your soil and not need to be re-applied an a regular basis.
My lawn looks great too and the lawns of many golf courses have begun to utilize these methods. Every year, turf grass specialists convince greens keepers/clubs to re-evaluate and employ green technologies through their consultation.
As far as the EPA watchdog bit, it's more about growing plants for free than being green. In fact, I took out a big ol' chunk of your ozone layer while making char for my beds this week....it's still smoldering out there. All I need to do to have awesome plants is to add more free mulch each year. No more chasing about with a sprayer for me.
Plants will very quickly attract mycorrhizal symbionts that will reach all over your property to bring back nutrients and water to your plants in exchange for carbohydrates. These mycorrhiza are more efficient than the plants roots and the host plant becomes dependant on these. When one kills the fungi from it's plant, the plant may have trouble thriving. There are also many other 'bugs' that feed the plant by breaking down nutrients and making them available for [the plants]. They also build barriers against pathogens and adjust the Ph to suit the [plants] needs. These can be killed off by insecticides as well.

Ron Alexander

Ok, I'm kinda sorry I ask ya'll this question. I didnt mean to cause such a dispute. I didnt realize my grub worms would open a can of worms..lol Anyway, The product I purchased at W-Mart is Sevin dust in a granular form. It has been used to kill garden insects since I was a small child. My parents used it in their own vegetable garden and know of no one but the bugs dieing or getting sick from it. You can even put it directly on your dogs to control fleas and ticks. I've never killed a dog with it either. If it kills my grub worms I will be happy. I would like to try some natural remedies for the long term effect though. Thanks everyone for your imput.

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ron_mcb

ron good luck with your oasis..like i told them the stuff has already been purchased...we are not blowing up the coral reefs with dynomite..

mycorrhizae will be affeted by fungicide of course because it is a fungus. it can be inhibited by commercial fertilizer true...

compost may affect mycorrhizal fungi especially ones with high salt or nutrient content. yep...its growth can be inhibited by the application of inorganic fertilizer also. organic only lessens the inhibition of m.f. growth ..

foliar pesticides generally have no adverse effects on its formation and function.

let me say again as humans we all have a negative effect on our environment..we can only lessen it..

thanks lagniappe for trying to tell us a better way

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Rmplmnz

Pete,

Where do you get the predatory nematodes?

Do they eat the harmful nematodes as well?

ron_mcb

maybe lagniappe will start a thread educating us about the predatory nematodes..lol.. he can tell you his experiences with them.

lets start over there about the predatory nematodes and i wont advocate the use of seven grub killer on that thread i promise. no one else had better not either.

this thread got away from grubs fast.

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Lagniappe

There are a lot of companies online that sell them alongside other controls, such as ladybugs and predatory mites. An easy control for nematodes is shrimp or crab meal. The chitin feeding organisms will proliferate on it and feed on other chitin covered things such as nematodes.
GrowOrganic: Shrimp Shell Meal (50 Lb)

Again, products such as Sevin work as they are intended! Let's not be combative, especially when I've said that several times. We're here to help each other by learning, teaching, and sharing information.

Rmplmnz

Oh I am all about shrimp meal...unfortunately we lost our local source:-(

Thanks for the link...unfortunately shipping gets expensive on 55 lb bags...and as you remember we don't use a "little" of anything...lol

Up to 500 lbs: $0.515 per pound ($103.06 minimum)

Rmplmnz

15 years ago I actually got 500 pounds of shrimp shells from a local processing plant..wow oh wow..I had a Red Iholene that hit 20 feet..it looked like a Saba..I showed pics to Don Chafin of Going Bananas (in the days when TC's were not being sold by the Fl nurseries) and he did not believe his eyes....I need to scan the pictures and post them.

Ron Alexander

OK, here I go again..... When searching for grub control I found a bag of nemotode killer.. If nemotodes are the good guys why would we ever want to kill them??

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ron_mcb

there are bad nematodes ex:roundworms and there are good ones predatory nematodes that eat approx 500 non benefical insect and their larvae

lagniappe,
actually showing opposing ideas is a good way to brainstorm.new ideas usually come out..i dont get upset when someone has an opposing idea..i still think you are pregnant with good ideas and information.

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Lagniappe

Thank you , and I believe you are constipated with the same.

adrift

A family owned garden supply place in Winter Haven used to sell it, but I haven't been in since fall to know if they still do. I'll check on that for both of us.

I didn't know the stuff worked. Figured it was another way to part a customer and his $.

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