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![]() I don't know what to do. I bought 3 Gors Michel Pups from an online nursery since that was the only way to get them. When I received them they looked fairly healthy but a little wilty. I put them in little starter pots with a garden soil, perlite, peatmoss mix, because I intend to put them outside. I'm trying not to water them too much, I wait until the soil is about 1 to 1 1/2 inch deep dry, but they are getting worse and worse. It could be transplant shock I suppose, but I want to make sure I'm not losing them. I put them in the side of the house so it gets the morning sun but they aren't looking any better. I've since moved them in today, put them on a heat mat just to make sure it was warm enough and under a ge led grown light, the big fixtures that look like short t5 bulbs but are led's. The light spectrum is good as is the temperature, but I know I'm gonna have to wait to see the results. As I said, I just don't want them to die as they are out of stock now and I'd have to wait until next year... It's about 70 to 90 outside during the day and 60 to 75 at night if that helps. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
Here's a picture when I pulled them out of the box: ![]() Here's them after I cut the leaves off because they were wilty and crunchy: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I have yet to fail at growing anything completely thus far, and I've grown more and more every year. This is the one I am most excited about and I would hate to fail and have to wait another year to try again. Please help! Last edited by Mindless2831 : 04-15-2021 at 04:56 AM. Reason: Fixed Image Links |
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![]() I'd say contact teh seller and get replacements.
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The soil holds water for too long for the plants to use if the pot is too big, thereby causing "drowning" or root rot. Sometimes people keep watering them thinking they need so much water but are in effect killing them. The soil need to be moist but not wet and dry enough for the root to breathe. I include instructions with my plants to wait for the plants to first recover from shipping before transplanting. And wait until there's root coming out the bottom to insure a good root system. I also suggest, when asked to only go up in pot size just a bit bigger than the last one, and only go up as needed. Doesn't look like these were shipped in pots.
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![]() First Off .... Those are Tissue culture (TC) plantlets, not true banana pups. TCs are lab grown from green plant material. .... Pups are sprouts from a mature banana plant and usually 2ft or 3 ft tall when separated from the mother corm.
Now from your photo above the TCs have not even grown their true leaves yet and only have 2 pre-leaves. ( I forget what they are called). It obvious lab specimen hasn't been in plug trays every long, At this stage of growth the plantlets should still be in a shade-house (80%) or greenhouse under strict controlled growing conditions ( high humidity, heat, misting, grow lights, ect) for 2 or 3 months. Then moved to 50% shade-house for harding off to full sunlight. From TC to field ready, in ground planting would take about 6 to 8 months. These plantlets are too young to have the reserve store of energy needed to recover from stress as you show in the photos. I did a quick search for a TC growing description. This one and there are others you can google. Also, note there is a difference between TC plantlets and micro-propagated plantlets, but growing & handling is about the same after the plantlets get to the 50% shade-house stage. https://www.agric.wa.gov.au/bananas/propagation-bananas Read the 'Tissue Culture plant handling' section. Last edited by edwmax : 04-15-2021 at 10:11 PM. |
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![]() i think they still have a chance of surviving
there is a leaf tip showing a new sprout might pop out of the side of the existing stem personally i would not be fertilizing |
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![]() Agree with all above. These plants should not be fertilized, and if at all a very diluted fish emulsion. TC plantlets are not plug and play so to speak.. my first ones were received in december of 2019.. they stayed in their plug pots under lights for 3 weeks. I would mist them and occasionally water. ater 3 weeks they had grown well, i moved them to one gallon pots and continued the misting/light watering. When they were about 10 inches tall, i started them on a diluted banana fuel fertilizer. They went outside under dapples shade/sun in mid feb, and they went in the ground about the end of march. They were well developed at by that time. I got a second batch of TCs in march, and after 3 or 4 weeks of the same regimen, i tried to rush them and put in the ground. All but one died back to the soil line, at which time i repotted them and moved back to dappled shade. They all recovered and were planted in ground in july of that year. So you have a good chance of saving at least one. You cannot rush TC plantlets.. but if you take your time they will grow once the corm is established. My original TCs are 16 months old now, almost 13 feet of Pstem, and all are fruiting.
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Link to the video of you're curious. The follow up video shows he did infact save it. https://youtu.be/DVWhkmG6HsQ Last edited by Mindless2831 : 04-16-2021 at 06:19 PM. Reason: Spelling |
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![]() Well, I've taken the extreme route as I feel if I waited much longer there would be no route to take...
I pulled up the most dead one that had stem rot bad and it broke from the roots, cut it open and the center shoot was green but it stopped about an inch before the roots and was gone. The middle dead one I pulled and all the roots were mushy and gross so I cut them up leaving just a little stump off the corm and replanted it in a 4 inch pot and misted it and sealed it in a ziploc. The third was white and green all the way to the corn and looked very healthy but also had very bad root rot. I was able to salvage a little piece of on of the roots about 1.5 inches long and kept it there and did the same as the last. I've likely killed them all or they will come back, who knows, I'm very discouraged at this point. All the roots were caked with the cardboard type plug crap he used and it's no wonder the roots rotted. I'm extremely upset that they were handled this way. Maybe I can save one with the extreme measures I've taken, but I feel like this is just a loss cause... Unfortunately it's corm was so very small in comparison with the video I linked since they are tc's, and I feel the wax step was extremely strange and couldn't find anything on the viability of that measure and I don't have non scented wax candles as it is. I've tried researching its application but can find nothing on it. Let me know your thoughts as to whether or not I'm just screwed. I'll post updates on whether the 2 left die or start to look better. I'm not hopeful at this point... Thanks for all the suggestions thus far. Last edited by Mindless2831 : 04-16-2021 at 07:55 PM. Reason: Spelling |
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![]() And then we have Lou Ferrigno, the freak of nature that was slammed in to the ground right out of the USPS box because I knew nothing and grew 7' in 4 months......
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You can try washing/soak the small corm with strong bleach water tokill any rot fungus and trim away any soft black rot & black roots. Then pot in course builder's sand (not play sand); mist spray the plant with water a couple times per day & miracle grow mixture once a week. Then hope for the best. .... The misting & miracle grow will foliar feed the plant while new roots regrow. The sand is very fast draining and will not hold water other than that which clings to the sand surface. ... Also the pot MUST drain all excess water out. ..... This is iffy with a small TC plant, but about the only chance the little plant has to recover. Last edited by edwmax : 04-16-2021 at 10:27 PM. |
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