CookieCows

Oh ......... I was comparing the AZ-41 to Frontline for dogs and cats but that's a site for interesting reading Richard.

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Lagniappe

I agree. I've been going over it since the post.
Thanks, Richard.

momoese

I am way too paranoid to use this stuff on my dogs. All organic all the time for my woofers!

CookieCows

I know what you mean Mitchell, I get an uncomfortable feeling about it ... but I still use it for now. We have 4 big outside dogs, 3 small inside dogs, 2 cats that are pets and 3 barn cats. I use it on all of them during the summer.

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Richard

I'd never heard of the product but the analogy makes perfect sense -- an overall protection for plants. Maybe if I turned on the TV every once in a while I'd understand what the rest of the world is thinking about!

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JoeReal

That would be interesting to know. The Japanese Beetles can easily fly off at the slightest disturbance so they can escape the sprays. AZ41 kills insect pests on contact and the continupus application through the growing season, AZ41 helps build the resistance of the plant against diseases and insect infestations. Perhaps the number of JB feasting on your plants sprayed with AZ41 would significantly decline.

I planted a lot of geraniums which are toxic to JB, so I never see any JB in my yard for a long long time and so never had the chance to try AZ41 on them. I spray my geraniums with AZ41 and they are very vigorous, giving me pretty blooms and no JB.

CookieCows

I didn't realize geraniums were toxic to the J.Beetles. We have about 5 grape plants that take the worst hit along with the roses so I'll get some geraniums planted in there too along with spraying the AZ41 this year and will keep you posted!

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JoeReal

You should really start the spraying of AZ41 ASAP. The earlier you do it, the better off you will be as the season progresses. The weakest point of insect pests and diseases is during the early season when their population is starting to build up. The earlier the better. I am suspecting that AZ41 damages also the insect eggs preventing from further hatching.

For grapes, when you have about 4" to 6" bud, that is excellent time to start. I usually start spraying the roses at first sign of bud swell. Different plants have slightly different methods of application to maximize the benefits.

With grapes, it is recommended to pour diluted AZ41 (1 is to 1000 dilution) around the base of your grapes to control nematodes and other root problems. JB overwinters in the root zones and AZ41 will help a lot.

Our raisin farmers does all of these, foliar and drip, in their drip lines and mechanical sprayers.

You would love how the plants respond to AZ41 after a couple of sprayings.

bencelest

I suspect and I believe that AZ41 damage the eggs of white flies also, because before, after spraying with malathion or some oil spray,after 5 days or so they were at it again in multiple numbers. After spraying you'll see many adult white flies dead on the ground and you think you have saved your tomatoes. Not so. After 5 days, you visit your plants and they are at it again. Inspecting on the underside of the leaves, you would see countless of dots in different sizes and I believed those were the eggs.
Today, I don't see any dots or eggs anymore because of AZ41 I sprayed a few weeks ago.

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Richard

Harvey,
Yesterday I was at the Grow More facility in Los Angeles picking up supplies. I showed the chemical analysis of AZ41 to one of the Reps and he gave me a ball-park quote based on a truckload worth (10 pallets). It was in line with what I stated earlier -- I could sell it for $10 to $12 per half-gallon and double my investment. Note that it not something I will pursue in the forseeable future because I do not have licenses to sell products labeled with a pesticide function.

Grow More makes many custom and proprietary formulas for the agricultural industry. While waiting my turn at the loading dock, I watched 20 pallets of cannisters being loaded on a truck headed for a farming concern in California's central valley. The formula is something the grower has prescribed and presumably they feel it gives them an edge in the competitive produce market. This approach appears to be common. Rather than purchase a pre-packed "product" in what I term "retail-mode", the growers research a better match for their crop and order a proprietary blend.

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bencelest

Another bonus of AZ41:
One of my Fuji apples had leaf hoppers problem. I don't know why they stayed on that particular tree only and they are not much of a nuisance so I ignored them. They just hopped and hide when I disturb them.
But lately I don't see a single one of them.
So that's good news!
And the good news is that all my citrus are in full bud growing formation at this time. And I don't see any single aphid in them. All leaves are in perfect shape and rapidly growing! No more distorted leaves because of aphids.

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JoeReal

Richard,

GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND YOUR COMPANY! BUT YOU ARE MISSING THE BIG POINT! You are using illogical comparison and you don't seem to have any clue on how biochemistry works, and for that matter, an understanding of plant nutrition and plant protection. Please prove me wrong by giving side by side fair comparisons defined as having the same guaranteed analysis and will will achieve the same results, let us just say in raisin grape growing. We have cost comparison data for those, so we can counter check the data you will show.

Also, I'd like some credentials of the sales Rep when it comes to knowledge in biochemistry, agriculture, and manufacturing costs. You know, we can't just accept a statement from a company Sales Rep and take it as fact, at least some credentials relating to the fair comparisons at hand would be truly appreciated. We have a team of real scientists and engineers for starters that are of world-class credentials but not wanting to work anymore with multi-national chemical companies.

One of the things you or your Grow More Rep has no clue about is the cost of acetylmannan, do you even know where it comes from, what it is and what it does? You wouldn't come up with the same formulation such as the exact vitamins, phytohormones, amino acids, polysaccharides, oils, sapponins, etc, that only AZ41 have and these details is what make AZ41 as excellent and revolutionary as it is. Oftentimes, a miniscule of difference can make a world of difference. It is never a guarantee that even if you mix the same number and kinds of individual atoms, that you will get the same molecule. The same number of component analysis do not make the same product. Even if you mix the same raw components, it will not make the same product if you don't use exactly the same manufacturing process. It seems that you are only confined to the limitations of fertilizer components and can't understand anything beyond that. Growing the best quality plants is not only all about using fertilizer formulations. And our product is a new revolutionary approach to crop growing and I can understand how it threatens Grow More and many competitors in the agricultural industry.

I can see that the way your company approaches in formulating your products by your own line of reasoning is simply satisfying the guaranteed analysis and then patching them up by mixing (with formulas of course to achieve the nutrient content) and stirring from the cheapest Hodge-Podge of chemicals or raw materials that you can get hold of.

But I issue a challenge. Have your best people reformulate exactly what is in the analysis without using Melaleuca, Aloe vera, and citrus peels. You can sell your stuff for $10 to $12, and then let us run a test if it will have the same properties and if it will be as effective in all of the properties we have observed. I am betting the company that your $10-$12 formulation is a money thrown away compared to our product, and will only be at best a very expensive fertilizer for that price, even if you have the same guaranteed analysis. Having basic knowledge of chemistry and biochemistry to be specific, we know for a fact that the same guaranteed analysis do not make exactly the same final product and achieve the same total properties and total effectivity.

As an unmistakable example, that perhaps you should be able to understand, is that if you show our guaranteed analysis of our product and only that information to any chemist, I am sure that they would never guess that it is a mixture of plant extracts such as Melaleuca oil, aloe vera and citrus peel oil without cheating. And when you indeed use them and come up with the same product, you will have to come back and tell me how much it will cost including the proprietary processes to mix them to have the synergistic effects. We simply don't mix these components by stirring them together. You can rediscover the process, by which the patent attorneys will be all over your company, and the cheaper alternative for you is that we would gladly license the patented process to you for just $20 per bottle on top of your cost of the expensive high quality raw materials.

Many have tried to copy our product, even tried to combine the same basic main ingredients, and none were successful. I sure wish we could bring it down some more. Only the specific combination and a patented process of combining them were we able to produce an astounding revolutionary product that none from the market can compare to at the moment. Melaleuca oil is very expensive and without it, our product wouldn't be effective. Melaleuca oil at retail would only be around 5% pure and yet it would cost anywhere from $15 to $30 per 8 oz bottle. Likewise we take 10 to 20 lbs of organically grown aloe vera and utilize only 1 lb of the plant, and so cutting costs is not an easy task. In that 1 lb of the choicest part of Aloe vera is found the various phytochemicals, polysaccharides, vitamins, minerals, amino acids, acetylmannan, and nutrients that are edible to humans and usable by plants, all of these boosts the immunity of crops to pests, diseases, and other stresse giving plants Systemic Acquired Resistance. And you know how much the Aloe vera health supplement pills costs? And probably our cheapest component is citrus peel oils and even then, an 8-oz bottle at retail is at least $10 and that's just the citrus peel oil only, and it is only as good as Volck oil, which is cheaper. But we needed the three main ingredients to create AZ41 using a patented process. In fact we are freely sharing the information of the main ingredients of our products with the hope that someone else can make a cheaper process to bring the overall cost way down. We are not in this for pure profit, but to be content that we achieved a better and safer alternative to using toxic products when it comes to crop growing. We aim to develop many other next generation products that are safer and are at par or more effective than synthesized products. Often, we don't have the long term studies on how the some of the synthesized products can affect our health and our planet in the long term.

We don't synthesize any components of our products from fossil based resources. Our raw materials are grown by people. Many farmers all over the world grows them, we don't grab our materials from the seas at wanton for free. People grow our materials and we buy from them, creating better jobs for them. If you compare our main ingredients retail for retail because we are selling retail, you would find that we are a real bargain because of economies of scale. And we strive to keep our costs down.

Our product is an excellent companion to many nutritional conventional or organic products out there in the market, including that of Multi-Fix from AdBio and Grow More, and our product helps reduce the amount of fertilizer and eliminate the need to use of other conventional inputs such as fungicides, nematicides, insecticides, and other toxic chemicals.

AZ41 is in a category itself of being a very unique and revolutionary agricultural product. And it seems that your company is threatened when it should be complimentary. We are working with other companies at the moment, such as your direct competitor, New Technology products, equipment, consulting for algae control, odor control, oil spill cleanup bioremediation, biofertilizers crop enhancement, wastewater treatment- Advanced BioTech., and there are many others in the works. We will be excellent companion to your products.

If price is the problem, let the end user decide on our product. What we only ask of our potential users is to have an open mind and try our product as directed. If its benefits are not worth the price they pay for, we are not forcing them to re-order.

And from our current base of users, it is money well spent, as the total benefits far outweighs the cost of use. Benefits include the safest, non-toxic and most pleasant application, eliminating the need to use nematicides, fungicides, insecticides that are often toxic, and having mostly blemish-free squeakingly-clean agricultural products, very healthy plants, that gives you even better yield and tastier crops when you use it in addition to your existing nutrition program. Conventional or pure organic growing, AZ41 is applicable to both methods of crop production. We can transition the world into safer methods of growing and gardening, giving mankind excellent arsenal to achieve pesticide-free crops and healthier living.

Just for your thoughts.

Joe

CookieCows

I'm going to order it the beginning of next week so we'll be able to get started right away. Boy I tell ya, my husband and I are all in favor of automation and getting drip lines installed a little each year is being seriously discussed at our house!

Thanks a bunch!
Deb

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bigdog

That's some product you've got there, Joe! At least the claims are pretty amazing. Now you just need Billy Mays to sell it on a half hour infomercial, LOL! Only kidding...I hope that it works out as well as it sounds like it will!

There's a lot of passive-aggressive behavior in this thread.

Frank

Richard

No, that's definitely not the case.

That's what I've done.

I encourage you to do the same with manufacturers in your area.

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JoeReal

Thanks for the reminder Frank! I promise to behave. Sometimes I get carried away if there are very unfair comparisons.

I too was a big skeptic of the product. I have been presented with scientific data, testimonials from small farmers to big growers. Suffice it to say that I had an open mind and tried it as directed. So now I am sharing this information.

Our botanist is from Australia, he used to be my graduate teacher, and he too was a big skeptic, working for Golden Circle and doing some consultation jobs with other big growers of bananas and olives and other crops as well as most big growers in the Asia-Pacific rim. But he kept an open mind and tried it, as the chief researcher and department head of Agronomy. So he conducted trials and he discovered many other properties of the product. He was so excited at the results and quit his job and became the Vice President for Research and Development of the Company. He later hunted me down to help lead the company. And I was a big skeptic of his claims!

When I approached Benny, he was very skeptic of what the product can do, and was reluctant to part his $50 for a 2-liter bottle. I had no time to explain to him all the scientific blah-blahs, so I just use the words "trust me, it works!". He only let go of his money when I gave handed a gift of home-made banana wine (which I owe him anyway from years past ). But I was sure glad that Benny has tested it for himself, and bought another bottle without any prodding. Anyone can read his excitement from his posts, and the amazing results he has observed.

All I ask from the fellow hobbyists is to try it. I would love to give you free trials, but we are just starting and it could bankrupt us, just the shipping costs alone, and more so because the raw components are very pricey, so we need help by at least paying some of it (I will give you my board member authorized commissions from each bottle ) . And after you test it and think that its benefits doesn't justify the cost, we can't force you to re-order.

And when you test, follow the directions carefully for maximum effectivity. We have used the products on various crops the world all over, got feedback from our users, and we have refined the use to minimize cost and maximize benefits. We found out that while the general dilution and application rate works well, each type of crop have different timing of use and dilution of the product to achieve maximum benefits. We haven't documented the various crops yet, but it is coming, and you can holler if you need specific applications that has not been listed yet.

Joe

CookieCows

Joe you have a good reputation on this forum and I appreciate the added bonus of being able to talk to you about how to use it in ways that may not be written on the bottle. I'm sure I'm going to be PMing you at least once! Sharing knowledge, ideas, plants, products .... it's what it's all about. Belonging to this forum has huge perks!

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paula

Joe ,
Do I have to buy the big bottle?
How do I order?
I need to order as soon as possible because my fruit trees are getting
ready to bloom and I have had so many different problems with them
in the past. I would love to try this product.
Thank you very much,
Paula

JoeReal

I replied to your PM about the small bottles.

paula

Thanks can't wait to try it.