Best naner soil?

imclueless17 · 07-30-2010, 08:32 PM

Hi I just want to be very careful with my new v. cohol and I want to make sure I will have it in the perfect soil. So my question is wat is really the perfect(or pretty good) out of the bag soil for naners? (I can add manure and perlite.) I read on the wiki its overburden soil but i don't know where to get it..... Thank U guys!

Bob · 07-31-2010, 05:38 AM

If you're growing it in a pot I've had great luck with regular miracle grow potting soil that I amend with some bark chips and perlite to give it better darinage. If you're going to grow it in the ground some additional compost worked in to the top layer of soil should be fine.

ron_mcb · 07-31-2010, 09:13 PM

there is always a debate about soil,. everyopne knows best, but bob has the right idea..

check out abnshreks gallery see how he has his plantings growing on a mound?? this allows better drainage.

dont know whats in his mounds but use a growing media that has good drainage and yet gives good bacteria something to cling to.

i feed a lot of organic material but no feces. i use mostly dead plant material..when i dig thru my plot i dont think there is a square inch that dosent have mycorrhizal fungi .. i plant in rows but all of my roots venture out and overlap each other.. there are surface roots that are well over 15-20 feet long.. i use a little chemical fertilizer too but i dont dope any plants up on it. a plant that has a healthy root system stands out.

jeffreyp · 08-01-2010, 10:59 AM

In my opinion soil that is loose and highly organic is best. In most cases top soil amended with composted cow manure works well..bananas prefer an acid soil but if the pH is below 5.0 lime should be applied the second year. Low pH makes bananas more susceptible to Panama disease. I'd also agree with Bob on using a sterile potting mix for something containerized for indoor cultivation.

Abnshrek · 08-01-2010, 02:10 PM

There isn't a perfect soil sold. As much as I hate to say it the cactus & palm and Scott's organic is pretty good. I prefer to augment mine with course sand, and more perilite, more compost and more peat, lil Azomite, blood & bone meal and top it off with some Mycorrhizal Fungi for good measure. And anything with the water crystals stay away from I'd rather water than have rott. :^)

sunfish · 08-01-2010, 02:21 PM

From the Wiki

Pure peat moss, pearlite added -- good drain -- good growth

This mix should work fine.

sandy0225 · 08-03-2010, 04:10 PM

Promix HP with biofungicide. (for small plants, bigger older ones aren't as picky)
Can't go wrong with this stuff for little tc's and newly arrived small plants....

Richard · 08-03-2010, 11:12 PM

I've been happy with this mix for both potted plants and planting beds:

2 parts fined-grained cured compost
2 parts ground sphagnum moss (Canadian)
1 part perlite (#3) or 1/4 inch rock pumice
1 part horticultural sand (#18 screen)
1/2 part worm castings.

I've gone through 40 cubic yards of it in the last 2.5 months. The plants are loving it.

oakshadows · 07-31-2011, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard

I've been happy with this mix for both potted plants and planting beds:

2 parts fined-grained cured compost
2 parts ground sphagnum moss (Canadian)
1 part perlite (#3) or 1/4 inch rock pumice
1 part horticultural sand (#18 screen)
1/2 part worm castings.

I've gone through 40 cubic yards of it in the last 2.5 months. The plants are loving it.

Is this a good soil for T/Cs ? I am thinking of buying a flat or two and hoping to grow these with the best outcome. Not having much luck with seeds. Also any info you can on growing t/cs.
Thanks

Although an old man, I am but a young gardener

Nicolas Naranja · 08-01-2011, 04:47 PM

I used fafard#2 for the last 1500 of my 2000 plants. It would get wet but wouldnt hold water so it prevented overwatering. Jungle growth is widely available and works well but ismuckier and has fertilizer mixed in

nannerfunboi · 08-01-2011, 08:12 PM

ive modified my "favorite" soil mx somewhat..
i like richards mix..
mine is my own compost(straw,shredded leaves,rabbit manure)
perlite,coco coir,and ive added shredded composted orchid bark now..
i use sand in the outside gardens.. to pots i dont..they are to heavy..
oh my aching back..LOL
reason im adding shredded bark now is for even more drainage..
i have good drainage in my outdoor gardens.. just thinking the
less the roots sit in water and drains away.. the better..
i also try to keep the pH of my soil pretty much neutral.. not on acid side..
we have pretty alkaline soil here in utah..so i havent had to worry to much
on that..using peat ..sometimes instead of coco coir...
great to see what others are using.. thanks

Dragonfly · 08-27-2011, 08:38 PM

I have a few questions. I went to repot my Bananas and found my favorite potting soil was left outside. Long story short I now have a gnat nursery in that bag. I have an emergency soil mix made up and they are planted in that but I wondered if I could have used some of my Dad's "Bumper Crop" by Master Nursery along with amendments? It has stuff like: forest humus, chicken manure, sea kelp, bat guano

I have bark, perlite and sand I could add to it.

sunfish · 08-27-2011, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

I have a few questions. I went to repot my Bananas and found my favorite potting soil was left outside. Long story short I now have a gnat nursery in that bag. I have an emergency soil mix made up and they are planted in that but I wondered if I could have used some of my Dad's "Bumper Crop" by Master Nursery along with amendments? It has stuff like: forest humus, chicken manure, sea kelp, bat guano

I have bark, perlite and sand I could add to it.

I wouldn't use sand unless it is washed sand . Some sand has small particles ,silt, that hold lots of water.

nannerfunboi · 08-27-2011, 08:55 PM

i also agree with leaving sand out..my reasoning
its so heavy..whew.. LOL
for drainage ive been buying perlite and mixing it in..
esp out in the gardens..
good luck to ya...

sunfish · 08-27-2011, 09:21 PM

Fine sand tends to settle to the bottom of the pot and stays wet.I made that mistake and killed a few plants.

Dragonfly · 08-27-2011, 09:27 PM

Good on the sand because I don't like using it or buying it on a regular basis. My son tends to steal the bags and use his CAT trucks to dig in them.

Can I add bark? I have a lot to use up.

sunfish · 08-27-2011, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Good on the sand because I don't like using it or buying it on a regular basis. My son tends to steal the bags and use his CAT trucks to dig in them.

Can I add bark? I have a lot to use up.

I add bark to my mix and then use a couple inches on top

nannerfunboi · 08-27-2011, 10:42 PM

ive started adding composted bark to all my tropical plantings now
whether in the gardens..or pots..
sure adds to drainage..and keeps the roots from sitting in to much
water..
also ..i agree with sunfish on sand. i started using it in my pots
and plants that were in them didnt do as well..to much sand at bottom
of pots .. so really didnt do that much for drainage..

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