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We use it for it's "low density (providing additional voidage and aeration in the soil), significant adsorption and cation exchange capacity, and the ability to promote living microbiology in the soil" And we don't use any chemical fertilizers, just top mulch and biochar. Here's a bunch that we recently harvested, it's from the first dwarf Bluggoe we grew and up until then I had thought all Bluggoe produce small bunches. I was surprised when it weighed in at more than three times the average bunch size of our local USDA Tropical Research Station and they are the comparison we use.
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![]() We grow a lot of large bunches because we want to know what is the minimum we need to do to produce acceptable size bunches.
These bunches are either the first plant crop or the first ratoon crop of some cultivars the local USDA Tropical Research Station gave us to evaluate.
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![]() So what happened with this thread? Two Questions: the difference between biochar and activated was described, but not biochar and charcoal (conflicting notes as one line said they were the same, another suggested there were differences). We have large quantities of charcoal left over from disposal of land clearing debris - often thought of the bio-char in the Amazon and the stories about the wonders it did down there.
BUT have no idea as to how much to use of it or what best to mix it with. Our native soils are heavy clay. As we have access to unlimited (500,000 tons) amounts of very aged (over ten years) compost (The largest compost facility in the US), we can "make" whatever we want. We use maybe 2000 tons of this compost a year. we also have access to almost unlimited amounts of aged street sand (sand swept up from streets and then allowed to sit for more than a year, generally three or four, in shallow beds 3 feet deep to "rinse" it should there be anything detrimental in it. We use maybe 200 tons a year of it and plants seem to love it - do not use on vegetable or any edible crops as fear there may be lead contamination (tests do not show it, but as it comes from all over, we do not test every batch due to cost - rather use it on plants where it does not matter.). |
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![]() Resurrecting this thread because I now know what I'm doing, and made 5 gallons of it this year. Currently activating/charging in a plastic wheelbarrow. I bought a bag of lump charcoal (I know the difference between lump and briquettes now, LOL) as well as raking some from the fire pile and sifting the ashes, which will go into the garden later on, although I used some already.
I reduced the char down to manageable sized pieces in a frying pan with a sledge hammer. That then went into the blender in small amounts. I use the blender specifically for charcoal and eggshells. Do NOT use the kitchen blender unless you are single or wish to become so again. You might buy one at Goodwill or something to use for this. I got a new Oster at Walmart for only twenty bucks. I ended up with a 5 gallon pail of powder and pencil eraser-sized chips. If you are using stuff from the burn pile, make sure you check it for stones and nails. I did, but still got some interesting sparks every now and then. I mixed in some sulphur, sugar and flour for an extra microbial boost, and then added five gallons of urine to activate it. For most people this might not be an efficient or even feasible method, but since I produce 2-3 gallons of the stuff a day, it works well for me. I kept adding until it was absorbed, then did it again. Now, I'm adding a gallon or so a week to replace what has evaporated or may still absorb. Finally, keep it moist but not saturated, to mix in with your soil. Don't let it dry out, and don't seal it in an airtight container or the microbes will die off. The larger the pieces, the longer it will last, but at lower output rates. The small stuff and powder will only last a season or two but will put out like a young Madonna looking for a recording gig.
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Edit: I read on a Permies thread that a commercial farmer uses 14,000 pounds per acre at a half inch deep and tills it in. Probably a better comparison for your situation.
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![]() Put as much in as you want......
Charcoal is an benign amendment.... It becomes awesome when you charge it before you mix it in your soil. |
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Perlite has a cation ratio of zero Moisture is also important for plants and biochar/horticultural charcoal holds much more moisture than perlite and lump charcoal holds very little.
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![]() Those are theoretical reasons to use biochar, not empirical. Why don't you just perform an experiment that shows that biochar is better? Just plant two identical plants in pots, one with biochar and one with perlite and let the plants grow. It doesn't even have to be bananas.
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Perlite is essentially inert; it's like puffy popcorn sand that allows drainage, but charcoal not only allows that space, it is very absorbent. 1 gram of the stuff has the same surface area of several football fields. 5 gallons of char eventually absorbed 6 gallons of urine. I daresay that 5 gallons of Perlite might absorb less than a half gallon if that; mostly due to surface tension. Not trying to inject myself into someone else's argument, but this is my experience with biochar. In addition to the 20" leaves on the pumpkins (usually around 6-8"), even the tomato to the left has 6" leaves according to the ruler, and in a few weeks, you'll see the harvest as it begins to ripen. I've never had this many maters or cukes on the vine, and my parsley is close to two feet tall. BTW, that's a steel ruler that leaf is supporting. Think they grow 'em big in Texas? Texas ain't got nuthin' on North Carolina!
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![]() Okay Mike, I'll bite...
Perlite is essentially rock popcorn and can't retain moisture. Good for drainage, but that's it. Lump charcoal is hydrophobic and will actually shed water like a dry sponge. Biochar has been inoculated and dampened, and will absorb water and nutrients like a damp sponge. With what he said, do you disagree? ![]()
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![]() Lump charcoal refined(broken up to smaller pieces) to biochar size can hold a fair amount moisture.
Biochar is lump charcoal crushed and repurposed for growing plants. The smaller the charcoal particle size the more moisture it will hold. The larger size of the charcoal the the less moisture it will hold. Same with perlite. The smaller the particle size the more moisture it will hold. And the larger particle size the less moisture it will hold. Perlite is a fantastic medium for hydroponics . Both materials mentioned above will hold up to 40% +moisture and nutrients for your plants. The op in the first post is spot on ...how to make lump/biochar. |
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I use all three materials that you mentioned. I make my own biochar like you by soaking(charging) the broken up store bought lump charcoal pieces in a slurry of organic ferts. Same charging process with the medium perlite I use. I choose lump because it is already made and in a bag. I could choose to do a burn pit and make my own ....So what is the difference between what is in the bag and what is left in the pit? Something more controlled and scientific a better product? The end result is whatever you want to call it. ![]() A quick internet read keywords/"water retention of perlite/crushed charcoal/lump charcoal will give a better understanding of just how much moisture these substances are able to absorb and release. Another Youtube search "how to make biochar/charcoal " will further help forum members understand the process. Last edited by cincinnana : 06-03-2021 at 08:35 AM. |
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