![]() |
Welcome to the Bananas.org forums. You're currently viewing our message boards as a guest which gives you limited access to participate in discussions and access our other features such as our wiki and photo gallery. By joining our community, you'll have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast and simple, so please join our community today! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. |
|
Register | Photo Gallery | Classifieds | Wiki | Chat | Map | Today's Posts | Search |
Banana Plant Soil, Additives, and Fertilizer This forum is an area where you may discuss the soil to grow banana plants in, as well as soil additives such as teas, composts, manures, fertilizers and related topics. |
![]() |
|
![]() |
The most chatters online in one day was 17, 09-06-2009. No one is currently using the chat. |
![]() ![]() |
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools |
![]() |
#1 (permalink) |
Banned
Location: San Diego
Zone: 9-11
Name: Tony
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 18,429
BananaBucks
: 1,022,463
Feedback: 8 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,210 Times
Was
Thanked 20,592 Times in 7,760 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2,716 Times
|
![]() |
Sponsors |
![]() |
#2 (permalink) |
Zone: 9b
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 538
BananaBucks
: 70,845
Feedback: 4 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,093 Times
Was
Thanked 1,107 Times in 382 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 257 Times
|
![]() wow... the guy at around 1:16 is hardcore! he straight up just ate a piece of charcoal.
__________________
|
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#3 (permalink) |
container grower Location: Southwest Ohio U.S.A.🇺🇸
Zone: HZ 6/5 Microclimate - Elevation 750 feet- 228.60 meters
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 8,851
BananaBucks
: 1,877
Feedback: 7 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,897 Times
Was
Thanked 11,766 Times in 4,906 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,949 Times
|
![]() Henry Ford (Ford Motor Company) was the King of biochar...
Kingsford Charcoal......Lump works pretty good in the Green Egg. ![]() .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsford_(charcoal) Last edited by cincinnana : 02-15-2015 at 07:43 AM. |
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#4 (permalink) |
Zone: 9b
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 538
BananaBucks
: 70,845
Feedback: 4 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,093 Times
Was
Thanked 1,107 Times in 382 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 257 Times
|
![]() ^the only thing i cook with is lump
__________________
|
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
Said thanks: |
![]() |
#5 (permalink) |
container grower Location: Southwest Ohio U.S.A.🇺🇸
Zone: HZ 6/5 Microclimate - Elevation 750 feet- 228.60 meters
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 8,851
BananaBucks
: 1,877
Feedback: 7 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,897 Times
Was
Thanked 11,766 Times in 4,906 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,949 Times
|
![]() ME Too...
Lump is good and HOT and will put a nice fast wanted char on a piece of beef. Making me hungry just typing it ![]() However for the Backyard Gardner.... Go to the Store and buy a bag of Lump Charcoal any brand will do. Lay the lump charcoal on the driveway and bust it up in small pieces. Mix a alittle Espoma Organic Garden Fertilizer or another product of your choice in the charcoal bits . Lightly wet it the mix and let sit for a bit... mix well. And now you can put it in your favorite mix. Each piece of charcoal will now be an oasis of nutrients for your plants. |
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
Sponsors |
![]() |
#6 (permalink) |
The Cat Whisperer
Location: Charlotte, NC
Zone: 8b, pushing 9a
Name: D.A. Hänks
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 2,119
BananaBucks
: 162,048
Feedback: 5 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,218 Times
Was
Thanked 1,976 Times in 1,145 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,049 Times
|
![]() I burn my yard debris and get a lot of charcoal if I rake the burning embers around instead of letting them cook down to ash. I mix that in with dirt and sawdust for excellent tree and shrub mix.
Charcoal briquettes have coal dust in them as well, which is why you get that sulfurous odor while its burning. IDK if that will affect the results or not if you were to use it. Seems to me as though it would tend to drop the pH significantly though.
__________________
Doug (D.A. Hänks) http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2955582/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 The Only Eastern Redwood Forest in America ![]() "Nuke my 'nanners, will you?!" |
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#7 (permalink) | |
Zone: 9b
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 538
BananaBucks
: 70,845
Feedback: 4 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,093 Times
Was
Thanked 1,107 Times in 382 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 257 Times
|
![]() Quote:
__________________
|
|
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#8 (permalink) |
The Cat Whisperer
Location: Charlotte, NC
Zone: 8b, pushing 9a
Name: D.A. Hänks
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 2,119
BananaBucks
: 162,048
Feedback: 5 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1,218 Times
Was
Thanked 1,976 Times in 1,145 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,049 Times
|
![]() Coal weighs more than charcoal, so that may be the reason. I'd never noticed that myself; thanks for pointing it out!
__________________
Doug (D.A. Hänks) http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2955582/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 The Only Eastern Redwood Forest in America ![]() "Nuke my 'nanners, will you?!" |
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
Said thanks: |
![]() |
#9 (permalink) |
container grower Location: Southwest Ohio U.S.A.🇺🇸
Zone: HZ 6/5 Microclimate - Elevation 750 feet- 228.60 meters
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 8,851
BananaBucks
: 1,877
Feedback: 7 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,897 Times
Was
Thanked 11,766 Times in 4,906 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,949 Times
|
![]() Bump..tis the season to mix your own soilless mix with charcoal, for those new plants this year.
If you have the opportunity to make this do it. This is a must have amendment to your special soil for all your great container plants Last edited by cincinnana : 01-11-2023 at 06:52 AM. Reason: clarification |
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#10 (permalink) |
Location: SW Florida
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 138
BananaBucks
: 21,097
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 14 Times
Was
Thanked 105 Times in 63 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
|
![]() At a local nursery where I live in sw fl, they sell 20 or 30 pound bags of finely ground bio char. Works perfect in my potting mixes as well as supplementing in ground planting areas.
|
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
Said thanks: |
![]() |
#11 (permalink) |
container grower Location: Southwest Ohio U.S.A.🇺🇸
Zone: HZ 6/5 Microclimate - Elevation 750 feet- 228.60 meters
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 8,851
BananaBucks
: 1,877
Feedback: 7 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,897 Times
Was
Thanked 11,766 Times in 4,906 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,949 Times
|
![]() Wow .... what is the cost??
|
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
Said thanks: |
![]() |
#12 (permalink) |
Location: SW Florida
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 138
BananaBucks
: 21,097
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 14 Times
Was
Thanked 105 Times in 63 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
|
![]() I want to say $3.99
|
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
Said thanks: |
![]() |
#13 (permalink) |
container grower Location: Southwest Ohio U.S.A.🇺🇸
Zone: HZ 6/5 Microclimate - Elevation 750 feet- 228.60 meters
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 8,851
BananaBucks
: 1,877
Feedback: 7 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,897 Times
Was
Thanked 11,766 Times in 4,906 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,949 Times
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#14 (permalink) |
Location: SW Florida
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 138
BananaBucks
: 21,097
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 14 Times
Was
Thanked 105 Times in 63 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
|
![]() Here it is from their website:
https://store.bigearthsupply.com/677...id=221601&cat= I never knew how they mentioned quantity for biochar but they list it on the site as 1 cubic foot bag. Sort of the same thing for worm castings as I bought a bag to try that out for $16.99 The bag feels like it is 20# but I should weigh it. I should weight the Bio Char bag too as it is very heavy for a 1cu ft bag. EDIT I went back to the site and the Worm Castings say 28# but the bag I have doesn't feel that heavy, and I think I paid $16.99 not $15.99 like the site says. Last edited by Kanana : 12-09-2017 at 09:38 PM. |
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
Said thanks: |
![]() |
#15 (permalink) |
container grower Location: Southwest Ohio U.S.A.🇺🇸
Zone: HZ 6/5 Microclimate - Elevation 750 feet- 228.60 meters
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 8,851
BananaBucks
: 1,877
Feedback: 7 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,897 Times
Was
Thanked 11,766 Times in 4,906 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,949 Times
|
![]() Its grill season again.
![]() During the holidays lump griling charcoal is on sale at the big box stores Pick up a bag and pound it to small pieces to make your inexpensive soil conditioners. A little goes a long way and it lasts forever plus your soilless mix or soil will benefit greatly. Last edited by cincinnana : 04-28-2019 at 02:23 AM. |
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#16 (permalink) |
Location: IL
Zone: 6a (10 miles east of 5b)
Name: Steve
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 499
BananaBucks
: 170,500
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 15 Times
Was
Thanked 788 Times in 317 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 5 Times
|
![]() When I was a kid, I made my own charcoal to use in making gunpowder because the charcoal briquettes sold for barbequing are useless for that purpose. The more porous the charcoal, the faster the gunpowder burns. The less dense the wood, the more porous the charcoal. I found balsa wood to be best, although it is too expensive for commercial production of gunpowder.
My procedure for making charcoal was to take a coffee can with a tight fitting metal lid and punch about 10 nail holes in the bottom of the can. After putting wood into the can, I put it on a stove burner so that the gas escaped from the bottom of the can into the flame of the stove burner. That increased the fuel efficiency while reducing the stink, but, it was still necessary to open a window to ventilate the room. Last edited by aruzinsky : 07-19-2018 at 08:22 AM. |
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
Said thanks: |
Sponsors |
![]() |
#17 (permalink) | |
container grower Location: Southwest Ohio U.S.A.🇺🇸
Zone: HZ 6/5 Microclimate - Elevation 750 feet- 228.60 meters
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 8,851
BananaBucks
: 1,877
Feedback: 7 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 3,897 Times
Was
Thanked 11,766 Times in 4,906 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,949 Times
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#18 (permalink) | |
Location: SW Florida
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 138
BananaBucks
: 21,097
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 14 Times
Was
Thanked 105 Times in 63 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
Said thanks: |
![]() |
#19 (permalink) |
Location: IL
Zone: 6a (10 miles east of 5b)
Name: Steve
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 499
BananaBucks
: 170,500
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 15 Times
Was
Thanked 788 Times in 317 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 5 Times
|
![]() Yes, inside the house and I don't remember any smoke. As I previously said, the gaseous products from the wood are burned in the flame of the stove burner. That flame turns from blue to yellow when it happened, but, I don't remember any smoke, just some stink.
|
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#20 (permalink) |
Commercial Grower
Location: Florida & Greater Antilles
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,637
BananaBucks
: 1,343
Feedback: 16 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,929 Times
Was
Thanked 12,691 Times in 3,712 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3,215 Times
|
![]() We use tons of biochar, it's lightweight, absorbent, and easily breaks with your hands.
https://www.biofuelsdigest.com/bdige...arbon-markets/ First, let’s explain the basic difference between THREE materials: activated carbon, charcoal and biochar. Activated carbon, also known as activated charcoal and several other ‘active/activated source-material’ names, all come down to the implication of the modifier ěactivatedî. When used in conjunction with adsorbents, ‘activated’ refers to a small set of processing techniques that increase the internal microporosity of the original carbon-rich source material. All ‘activation’ processes remove individual carbon atoms and create individual nooks and crannies in the carbon-rich material, which are the adsorption sites. The key to activated carbon is that it is optimized for specific adsorption application (water, vapor, certain adsorbates, etc.) and the adsorption capacity is packed into as dense a material as possible to minimize the volume of adsorbent necessary. In the end, activated carbon is an adsorbent ń intended to remove something, typically organic compounds, from either vapor or liquid streams. Biochar vs charcoal In contrast, Charcoal is a fuel that is used for cooking and other heat generating applications and created by heating biomass, typically wood, under conditions of limited oxygen. In general, charcoal burns hotter and with less smoke than the starting biomass, and also can convert mineral ores to the corresponding metals, inspiring a series of ages: bronze, iron, etc. Biochar is made in the same manner as charcoal, but it is intended for utilization as an adsorbent and/or a soil amendment. Basically, the key is the end use of the material. It is charcoal if it is intended to be used as a fuel; hence it is manufactured with optimal fuel properties. In contrast, if the intended use is adsorption or as a soil amendment, then it is manufactured to a different set of properties and labeled biochar. As a result, biochar shares properties with activated carbon and charcoal, but has a few unique features that distinguish it from both. While biochar shares adsorption properties with activated carbon, it also exhibits a significant amount of ion exchange capacity, a property that is minimal or absent in traditional activated carbons. The ion exchange property, which is usually measured and reported as ‘cation exchange capacity’, is due to residual carboxylic acid functionalities on the biochar graphitic backbone. Since activation removes any residual side chain aliphatic groups, activated carbons have reduced ionic interactions. The other big differences between biochar and activated carbons are bulk density and mechanical hardness. Activated carbon is intended for applications where packing as much adsorption capacity into a fixed volume is paramount, like gas masks and fixed-bed adsorbers. In addition, activated carbon can be regenerated and reused in many applications, so mechanical hardness (also known as the lack of friability) allows the carbon to be moved without falling apart or breaking down in particle size. If one combines the lower adsorption per unit weight of biochar with the lower bulk density, the resulting adsorption capacity on a volume basis is 1/6th to 1/12th that of high quality activated carbons. For this reason, biochar is typically used in applications where the material is spread out on the ground, so low density is not a disadvantage. In fact, in soil applications, where an important property is the ability to capture excess precipitation and retain it, the low density of biochar translates into additional voids that can fill when it rains. Unique properties Biochar is a material that is preferred when several of its unique properties can be exploited in the same application. The unique properties of biochar include low density (providing additional voidage and aeration in the soil), significant adsorption and cation exchange capacity, and the ability to promote living microbiology in the soil, enhancing the ěSoil Food Webî. Combining these properties leads to a predictable selection criteria for when to consider activated carbons versus biochar.
__________________
|
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
Said thanks: |
Sponsors |
![]() ![]() |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
|
![]() |
||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Do Rock Dust & Biochar Increase Crop Yields | sunfish | Banana Plant Soil, Additives, and Fertilizer | 4 | 02-13-2017 03:14 AM |
Hawaii Biochar | PR-Giants | Banana Plant Soil, Additives, and Fertilizer | 7 | 06-07-2014 08:45 AM |
Biochar;Husbandry of New Orders & Updates | erich | Main Banana Discussion | 20 | 02-13-2014 01:18 AM |
biochar | damaclese | Banana Plant Soil, Additives, and Fertilizer | 127 | 01-15-2013 12:42 PM |