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The Vitamin B-1 Myth
Excerpt from Beware of Gardening Myths, by Robert Cox, Horticulture Agent, Colorado State University Cooperative Extension:
Many consumers assume that products on the store shelf must have been tested to prove their claims. Certainly, fertilizers have to meet nutrient content requirements, and pesticides are rigorously tested for safety before EPA registration.
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Re: The Vitamin B-1 Myth
Hey Richard- what about SuperThrive and Messenger? Both are highly touted, not as ferts but as vitamins/hormones, plant defense stimulators. What do you think?
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Re: The Vitamin B-1 Myth
I was in the grow shop this morning, and two of the rooting products had pictures of vegetable plants on them.
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The formula for SuperThrive has been kept a secret but the patent has expired. Two major manufacturers now claim to have reverse-engineered the formula. Cheaper "copy-cat" products are on their way. I suspect though, that seaweed extract will still be cheaper and a better choice in the first place.
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1st, manufacturers print labels by the millions and some don't update labels until they run out. If you are in a state that has outlawed the use of specific root stimulants (e.g., IBA or NAA), then the manufacturer might have shipped bottles with an add-on label. Ohio as I recall, went kicking-and-screaming into regulations for produce labeled "organic" and thus there might be no restrictions in your state. 2nd, there are several other unrestricted, non-toxic, non-carcinogenic compounds and/or hormones that will achieve the desired results. Gibberellic acid is one of them.
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I just thought it was misleading to print on back 'not to use on edibles', but then show a veggie on front.
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Yes! And it lowers my opinion of the shop owner as well.
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Plants have to recognize a disease in order to activate their defenses. Messenger says that it is a protein recognized by plants as a sign of disease. I guess you'd have to test it out and see what happens. I can't see how it would help a plant to have it expending energy on disease resistance when it isn't needed at all times.
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Institutions that buy Dip-N-Grow etc. a drum at a time probably won't learn about it until they have to restock next year. For example, my colleagues at one of the germplasm repositories were completely shocked when I told them about it!
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Re: The Vitamin B-1 Myth
I agree with the opinion of cheap advertising visuals of vegetables on products "not for use on food for consumption". Sad.
IBA is so commonly used on products that are consumed, and not many realize this. A great natural replacement for the rooting hormones available in store is- Go find a willow tree in your area, one hopefully grown without chemicals. Chop off many branches and crush them up very fine, mix into a bucket of pure water. (ratio is your choice, i tend to prefer rather strong and thick soup) Let mixture sit for 24-36 hours. Strain and bottle in a clean jug. Use mixture as a soak (12hours) before putting plant into a rooting medium of your choice. Willow trees have a hormone in them that promotes rooting. I have never tried this method back to back with plain water, so i can not quote on effectiveness. Hopefully this helps save some money and carcinogens.
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Is the hormone in willows specific to a few species or present in the entire genera or family?
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Any shrub or tree of the Salix species should work. It is actually naturally occuring indolebutyric acid (IBA) in willows that is most concentrated in the growing tips. Another odd but interesting thing is the natural salicylic acid in willow, hence also where aspirin was first derived from. Plants make salicylic acid as an indicator to trigger natural defense mechanisms against viral, bacterial and fungal infections.
Or honey could be used just like rooting gel, if you want to steer far from the IBA (natural or not).
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In California and several other states it is illegal to use any form of IBA for rooting plants to be used for food. It is a demonstrated carcinogen -- the highest risk group are children. So I'll skip the willow extract ...
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It is interesting that IBA is naturally occuring in Willow, because it has been a homeopathic remedy for many things for a long time. (headaches,toothaches, anti-inflammatory) I wonder if there is a distinction between synthesized IBA and naturally occuring IBA?
Honey has always been more sweet anyways.
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In commercial agriculture, rooting stimulators are rated by "striking range" -- the probability of a cutting striking roots (over an average selection of plants). IBA alone is 50%, seaweed extract containing gibberellic acid is 40%. I haven't come across any data for honey.
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Human, honey, swarm of bees... 100% strike rate! Everytime! Hahaha.
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LOL!
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