YAKUZA

a small question for european nana lovers
how long it takes for having some flowering in a mmmmm for example a basjoo,helens hybrid or a cavendish in a belgium,Germany,slovakian,... climate.
overwintering inside.the rest of the seazon outside

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Patrick

I had my Basjoo flowering after three years in the Netherlands. In my pictures you can see it. In the winter i've wrapped it with straw en the next summer it flowered.

YAKUZA

pfff 3 years hahaha soooooo long

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Patrick

Is that long?

YAKUZA

i have a red stern basjoo, ventricosum, cavendish, acumminata monkeyfinger, helens hybride. im from belgium. what 2 do
plant in garden in ... how you say it.... full soil or i leave it in a container end dig it in.
temperature winter tis year -19 degrees celcius

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YAKUZA

i mean 3 years waithing is long.
i what 2 c quiker result hehe im a dreamer

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Patrick

I thought you had it flower quicker. I have some in full soil and some in containers. I don't know what is better. The one flowering is standing in full soil. If you send me a PM we can talk in Netherlands?

Dalmatiansoap

Well, you can allway sendt them to me here. It will be much warmer for them.

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pm is verzonden

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Jack Daw

I thought that the Western Europe climate was much warmer in the winter thanks to the warm Gulf Stream. How could you have had -19°C? Is it really so? Wet winter or snowy winter?


Citruses take sometimes decades to start fruiting. Is it still so long?

Container for Cavendish types, free soil for the hardier (basjoo, Orinoco, sikkimensis...)

What are your annual winter lowest tempeartures (for the past about 10 years or so)...?

It depends, some flower earlier (Cavendishes), because I have them in the warm place for winter, some fruit later (basjoos in the soil...)
One more thing, it's Slovak, not Slovakian. ...
Slovak climate would be:
Winter lowest 2009 >>> -13°C (about 1 night,then it gradually fell to -1°C)
Summer highest 2008 >>> 34,5°C

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Patrick

Last winter was terrible. Here in the Netherlands is was also around minus 20 degrees. It was a long time ago that it was so cold. Almost my whole collecting was destroyed. I've saved three Musa Sikkimensis. But i've seeded new ones.

YAKUZA

lowest -19 but its coldest sinds 10 years
normaly max -10
summer i think 34

best 2 put not hardy in container? end dig it in for summer.
or alsow free soil en dig it up fot winter

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Jack Daw

Sometimes it gets even to Slovakia (the temperatures in the Central Europe are quite low, but not that extreme in the lowland where I live). We have every winter from -7°C to -14°C, the winter of 2006 was extreme with -17°C. The most important thing is that the temperatures are constant during the whole winter, so we have always -8°C for example and than skip to -12°C for a few nights and back again... The average January temperature (coldest month) is about -2°C, which is quite good.

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Jack Daw

If you dig it in for summer, it might not be possible to give them back to the container, because they will make strong roots. Just give them large pot (75 litres and more) and they will grow nicely. In summer, you can keep them outside.

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YAKUZA

i mean, i leave nana in container but put the container in free soil, it looks nicer.
some usa members dig the plants up, clean roots en put hem dry end cold free no?

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Dalmatiansoap

This are approx. year temp. for my area of Makarska riviera (known by Jack).
This was coldest winter in several last years and we had 0 C for arround 7 day and one morning -3C. Blue lines are see temp. and red ones air temp.
Other pix shows temp. for several cityes on Adriatic coast. I belong to Split area.

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Jack Daw

Nice, so you hardly ever go below 0°C. Compared to that and after seeing the Koppen-Geiger maps (I believe the best climatic maps out there) I would guess, that you're almost the same winter temperatured region as Kalabrian here. You know guys, if I knew Italian or Croatian (Croatian shouldn't be that hard, since I already understand, when some speaks Croatian), I would move there.

Shame that the winter temperatures are so dull in my country. Howeer it has some positive issues along. Almost no flu streaks, no pandemics... because most of the bacteria is killed in heavier frosts and of course - skiing and ice skating.

Bananas don't seem to like the snow that much... Shame on them. What are the highest temperatures in your country boys (Emanuel and Ante)? About 37°C? More?

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37-39 C. Ej Im in Csa zone in Koppen-geiger. Low temp. isnt problem here. Strong north wids are. Strongest here was 205km/h.

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WTFFFFFFFF. 205km/h. Isn't that terribly close to huricanes and such menaces? We do get some terrible winds, but not more then 120km/hod (it took our pool's roof away, we had to cahse it on our garden... polycarbonate).

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Hi Jack

With due respect, I do not think the location of our friend in Croatia is comparable to my area. If we talk of my specific condition, I can have some troubles sometimes with light frost because of the altitude of my location, but if we talk about the area in general... there is no game. It's not to be patriotic but because of evidence. I am below the 40th parallel and this means I am in the subtropics. Moreover, my region is between two seas, Tirreno and Ionio, both much warmer than the Adriatic. This latter in fact is not very deep. For this same reason in Italy on the Tirreno's side climatic zone 9 reaches until the north in Liguria, while on the Adriatic side it's only the southern part of the Peninsula which is considered warm to 9. If I have not been clear on this latter issue see the Koeppen map:

http://www.passiflora.it/Zone%20Clim...ZoneKoppen.jpg

I do not agree on many particulars of this map, but it gives a general idea and you can see the difference between the two sides.

Apart from this, in general in the coastal areas of my region there is no frost at all. This year which was a tough winter for many of us on the coasts here it never drop below 2-5 degrees depending on the areas. Of course there are exceptions but few.

As I was saying my situation is different. But when you think that at almost 600 m of altitude (which is quite a lot) I can easily grow citrus, bananas, cattley guava and avocado, you get an idea of the general climate of the area. In the valley they grow annonas and guava and along the coast they grow mango, litchi, ananas, babaco and pithaya.

I apologize for the moment of glory, no disrespect for nobody.

To answer your question on max temp, I have official datas for these locations:

- at the beginning of the valley (which means at the feet of my hill), at 362 m of height, absolute max in history are 38.3 in May, 43.2 in June, 44.3 in July, 43.0 August, 41 September and 34. 7 in October. Here almost every year the temp touches 40 degrees.
Consultazione banca dati storici

- in the plan which stretches from the hill to the coast, but some km away from the sea, 41.7 June, 42.7 July, 42.1 Ago, 37.1 Sept
Consultazione banca dati storici

- by the sea, 39.8 June, 40. 1 July, 42.4 Ago, 34.7 Sept
Consultazione banca dati storici

As you see the max temp are higher far from the sea, however in these same places also winter is cooler and it is there that frost occur when by the sea are unheard of.

Blessings to all