Jack Daw

Could you please state link to that thread, can't find it anymore.

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YAKUZA

its in the seperate the pups section.

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I couldnt find better place to post my newest banana warry but in this thread.
Easy but shure WINTER is comming!
New problem would be OWERWINTERING!!!
On the other side, it is also regular part of banana growing so it cannot be so hard, right.
My biggest problem is DC which is even maybe close to flower. It is potted and I dont know what to do with it. Should I put it indoor in unheathed, dark room to go dormant or give him temp. 15-20C to continnue with growing but if it fruit during winter I dont know can I plant whan spring come?
Someone have any suggestions?
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Jack Daw

Well, this is what I was solving as a problem too and then came to conclusion, that in my conditions and climate it would be more effective to devise a way to remove the bananas from soil without causing them too much stress and to grow them inside in winter, which is quite possible with almost any subtropical and tropical banana. The only exception would be PK, because it has quite short vegetation period in India (April or May - November). I think that if your plant is about to bloom, you should really help it and not let it rest, don't be afraid of winter bloom, it's the safest bloom in our climates, if you have the plants inside, because you can control the temperatures.

Repotting is maybe out of question now, it would cause stress. Planting out too. Just keep it in a pot and watch the P-stem. If it starts showing a sign of expansion, your flower will soon come out.

Pics and good luck, pal.

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maesy

Bringing inside is a good way as long as they are still in their childhood size.
After being in the ground a second season, mine are usually close to 2 meters tall included the leaves and almost that wide. Then you still have to add the pot. If you have a tall growing variety like ice cream, they will reach more than that in only one season!
Then you will need a very high room to store.

That is a reason why I only grow dwarfs.

Marcel

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This year most of them will be inside in pots but as U say next year that will be imposiblle but Im pretty shure that IC can be left outside with minimum protection here. For now I want to keep as much plants as I can in best condition for planting in spring

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As mention earlyer, today I took my plants indoor to avoid cold and strong wind that started tonight and will blow till end of the week.
Only four plants are left planted outside, two Basjoos, one Glaucum and one Ventricosum all with trimed leaves on 1/3 of lenght for less wind resistant.
I can proudly say now: OWERWINTERING BEGINS
Welcome on grower dark side
Regards banana buddys

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Well, Ante, nice pic you've got in the Tog In Memoriam section.

Btw. It's possible that the temps will go so low and winds will get so fast here, that it might bring snow from mountains (distanced etwa ( ) 50km). Guess what!

I still have one Pahari Kela outside, several SDCs, 6 Grand Nains... No time to put them inside. Maybe I should do it tomorrow. One Pahari Kela is safe, just to say, nicely potted, enjoying firm temps of 15/15°C day/night temps.

Grand Nains seem to be fighters, but I'm also surprised, how well those naners are holding. Cold rains since Wednesday have done some veeeery bad job. Ricinus communis should also go inside...
Argh, time...
Gotta run, good luck Ante and keep us posted!

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maesy

I have just brought my Dwarf Brazilian and Dwarf Orinoco inside.
They were planted in iron cages that I dug out and and placed in the basement with natural ground.
It's a dark room that stays between 12°C and 14°C. I'm not planing to cut any leaves off.
Have a look. What do you think?
The DB is on the left and the smaller DO on the right.



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Great looking plants. Makes me laugh whan I see all that pots, we ALL share same pots problem
In my case I have even some plants in my living room .
Siam rubi, smaller DC, few seedlings...

Acuminata

And fuuuuuull attic

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maesy

I also have a smaller couple just beside me.



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New one is occuring.
Its called CONSTANT RAIN!
Its raining for more than week now and its starting to make me warry about plants outside. How long they can stay so wet in this temperatures?

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YAKUZA

same problem here.
i raped my outside basjoo withe glaswool insullation end a garbage bag over it. its protected for rain and cold but im warrying about rotting.
temp is high so rotting is possible.
overhere the temp is not constant anymore.
sometimes 10°c some times @ night -1.
hope winter is sweeter than 2008. we had temp - 19°c

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Same too here ...70l/m3!! 2days ago a lot of hail ...But no frost temp are positiive and my bananas in the garden aren't yet protected...Only the zebrina is inside with a couple of potted bananas...

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Beautifull day today, Sun is shininig, see is calm, blue sky, just glorious .
And Im still working! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

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YAKUZA

overhere 17°c hot for the time of year.But i like it.
hope its for the rest of the year.

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Baaah,
I went to check my naners in cold storadge today and I have to report that all my Cavendish group is showing first signs of winterising problems. They all looks the same, DC, SDC and Mahoi. M. rowe red looks like them too. Ice cream is leader in hardyer group for now. I have to monitore them better till weekend now couse it looks like temp is going down .

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palmpje

Here you can just see a few of the spots in my house that are infested with Musa plants.



What a horror, some plants have first a growing yellow leaf, then shriveled leafs, then they get very ugly, then the pseudostem gets weak, and then when i cut them they are black inside, this means that they are rotting inside ... however I took some plants inside already for a time in the warm house, but maybe already too late ... small plants are very vulnerable.

Musa basjoo red, Grand Nain, Musa sikkimensis darjeeling giant all death



same from other angle



raja puri, my little sweatheart, still going strong







some very sad looking Siam Ruby and Siam Green. Goddamned ! If i loose these little guys I will not be happy.



Some other Musas doing a lot better,

Do you have any idea what the plant is at the left??? i'm curious if you can tell !!

I still have other plants, palms and Musas in other places, these fotos are for the next time.

Ante: What wintering problems do you face? the leafs are pointing down and they seem weak ? because of temperature.

Did anybody made the same mistakes like me and end up with ugly plants like the Siam Ruby ?

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It looks to me that U have over watered them and some (Siam Ruby) might even be infested with spidermites. It will be hard to get some of them back .

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At the moments the plants are not very wet, but I think i have made a mistake before, the temperatures were going down very much while the soil was moderatly wet.

I don't think I have spider mites because I don't see spiderwebs.

I begin to see an overwater pattern in this:

1/ leafs get yellow
2/ leafs get droopy
3/ leafs get thin and shrivel up
4/ pseudostem loose strength
5/ rot detected

SO If you start to overwinter plants, it seems you have to be very carefull that the soil isn't wet. Because when it's cold ( 10 degrees for example ) and the plant isn't active growing, the soil will stay wet, especially if the pot is a little big.

Thats how i killed the musa basjoo red. I didn't gave water for a long time, but the soil was still wet, because the pot was so big ! !

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