palmpje

They are talking about a drop till the freezing point and below ( 0 / -2 degrees) for sunday night. It seems winter is kicking really in now.

I will rush into my garden tomorrow to make the final protections on my only basjoo i left outside. Also getting out some flower-bulbs that are not frost-hardy. I think I will leave the Canna bulbs in the ground.

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Dalmatiansoap

5C! Coldest morning so fare. But its calm and I belive that sun will get thrue clouds. But if it goes lower I ll get in troubless for house heating. My air cond. doesnt provide enough heat whan temp. drops below 4-5C .

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Jack Daw

Supposedly 1°C, light snowing (first in the season, yupiiii), beautiful snowflecks...
Impossible to take pictures though. I should think about moving my palms inside.

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palmpje

Right now 1° C !

Ante: You are using your airco to warm up the house? how does that work? And this is the only heat source you have?

Here we have a central heating system with gas, and a gas heater. Gas is the cheapest way of heating here.

Jack Daw: Snow is not so bad, it works a bit like an insulator. not? or are your palms very small?

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Yeap. Maybe isnt the best way but it is enough. Our systems have heat/cool options and are good till 4-5C temp.
In my region (whole southern(costal) part of Croatia)we dont have gas intalations and we use mostly electricty as heat source. Sea acumulates large amounths of energy and it doesnt allow us to freez

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Seweryn

there was -8C last night and -4 C during the day. actually there were first freezy days this winter.
We have gas instaltion but we usually don't use it. The gas is the most expensive medium for heating the house here, especially if your house is old and isnt energy-saving.

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Seweryn : What is then the alternative if you live in an old house? also electricity ? Electricity is expensive here. Thats why much people are choosing now for solar panels.

Ante: Do I understand it right that there you have energy generated by the sea? if yes, that sounds very "high-tech" and "green" technology!

Houses are well insulated in Belgium, even older houses ( from 1950 - 60).
Heating with electricity is actually forbidden for new houses. Because of the energy - unfriendly nature. Here electricity is mainly produced by nuclear energy installations. However they are building more and more wind turbines ( like in holland). But only wind energy could never cover our hunger for electricity in the households. We are even buying energy from our neighbour France.

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Haha, nothing like that. I was reffering that sea acumulate sun heat in the day time and keep air temp. much higher than inlands. Only 10km air distance inland from me they have much lower temperatures than we have here.

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Wow, -0°C. Is that even possible?

You know Sew, better be prepared for Putin's next gas stop. 2 tons of wood should do it til the spring. We can't rely on modern technology and electricity much these days...

LOOOOOOOLZ Palmpje. Really good joke...
It sound more probable than Croatian submarines though.

I think you still have good infrastructure. Well, we have 2 nuclear plants that make more energy than we can ever spend, so it could be free. "Luckily" for us, those motherfu***rs in our parliament were corrupt enough to sell them to ENEL. Now we import energy and our nuclear plants are running at 4%... But every Slovak is happy to pay to Italians for energy from powerplants that were built here using free labor (before 1989). Should I also mention, that they bought them for, now read well, 1/100 of its real price. And we pay much more, than most of the people in Western EU.

One of these days... I wish I were living in Sochi or Makarska.

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palmpje
No I don't tell about elecricity, I think about wood and carbon, I know it is not ecological but now the cheapest way to heat your house. The solar palens are popular and many people install it but it has sense if your house is good insolated. If you live in old hose buid partially with stone (1930) with old windows, old roof and uninsulated walls it doesnt. And I have heard it can be rather supporting sourcen not only method of heating. So first I have to invest in big renovation.

Ante I also thought you told about some generating station using some sea tides etc.

Jack, Please don't provoke me I am very susceptible to political/historical discussion If I start I can't stop

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@Jack Daw: I love those real storys about East-european politics, I tought that there was a lot of corrupcy in Northwest Europe, but it seems i'm still naive! Isn't there a movement of young politics that are trying to fight this? However I know that almost nothing can beat this "energy-machine". We import Gas from Russia, for very high prices and nobody ask questions.

Croatian submarines ... now I can't get the picture out of my head of Ante in some old russian type submarine running on some home brewn olive oil ....

@ all : here we are now :

jack daw : - 3 °C
seweryn : -3 °C
myself : - 2 °C

while ante : 10° C ! ( possibly relaxing in the garden with a hawai shirt! )

Just joking, no offense Ante. ( edit: just very jealous we all are )

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Weather forecast for Wednesday (night)- I wish there isn't whole Europe map at this weather service I took it from.

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Temps here are much better than those in my sticker ( ). Sticker temps are measured in mountainious northern Bratislava, yet my temps on plainy southern Bratislava are slightly milder. Usually +3°C compared to those in sticker.

But that depends.
Night temps might go down to -4 this night. We'll see.

You were not far from the truth btw. Russian diesel submarines could be run by pretty much anything that explodes. Special diesel was also used in cold arctic and antarctic waters, when alcohol and oils (natural - olive, sunflower...) were mixed with diesel to lower its freezing temperature. The same techniques are also used by many European Oil Stations to make the diesel more durable in cold.

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Ante I am very interested how cold usually is a place you live or just in Croatia - I mean in the winter. I have 3 Punica granatum , pittosporum tobira, Arbutus undeo and Quercus ilex and Quercus coccifera in my garden, i am curious what frost they can stand? One Q. ilex survived -19 C last winter under small foil tent. My pomeranates I have from the seeds so maybe some wild growing shrubs are more frost tollerant ???

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Ante, 4°C in Split, how about at your place?

Regarding what part. Edited.

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In costal Dalmatia where I live minimums are rare below 0C. We had few extremes last winter with -3C for two days. But only few kilometers inland temperatures may go till -10C. Continental parts are like in all continental Europe. I know that some Punica grantum cultivars can go to -7C without any protection. Dont know for your other plants
Makarska was 11C at 14.00, now is 10C in my balcony. We have a kind of climatic border between Makarska and Split and many times there are totaly different weather conditiones in only 15 km area

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thax
We also usually don't have less then -3C ......in May
I have seen a big pomegranate shrubs in Budapest so i think they can stand more than -7, we will see , as I wrote my Q. ilex (Hrast crnika) survived -19 C

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Wow Seweryn
Im glad that your Hrast can beat such hard freeze but Im pretty sure that we have many stones that can do that too, but I dont know about plants

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palmpje

Jack Daw: I like to read about stories like that. Old mechanical technology, cold russian winters, smelly diesel tanks, and a bunch of greasy guys without personal hygiëne...all pumped together in a small fishthank, deep under the water. Must be a hell of a ride.


Is that a sort of a microclimat in Bratislava? We also have a difference between north and south of Belgium.

While now for example they forecast -5 in the north, it could get too -11 in the south.
That is a big difference for such a small country.
We live closer to the shore of the northsea ( closer to the north). Maybe this is the reason.

We already hit -5 here last night. Very cold if you are not used to this anymore!

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