pikkenix

Wanted to try bananas in hydro. So I planted one of my SDCs in a drip system. The first days it was a bit "limp" and I thought it was the transplant chock.
After a few days it started to get burnt around the tips of leaves (both new and old leaves).
First days I just added a very small amount of nutrients (EC = 0,35 mS) but after about 4 days (after burnt leaves) I added some more nutritiens (now the EC is 1.25 mS).
The burning still keeps coming, but in a far slower rate.

Could the problem be it was to low EC, or could it be transplant chock, or anything else. Anyone experienced the same and should I expect this when transplanting a banan from soil to hydro?

Can anyone describe their best method when transplanting a banana from soil to hydro?

Some pics

Right after transplant:


Day after tansplant:


4 days after transplant:




6 days after transplant (today):

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edwmax

Transplant shock and too much fertilizer for the first 2 weeks after transplant. I think the fertilizer rate should be about 1/4th of package directions for normal hydro growth. ??? ... sorry I don't do hrdro bananas ... yet ....

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Richard

Don't do it. Instead, start a TC or pup in hydro and keep it there. Make sure none of your nutrients contain Urea Nitrogen. Use a fertilizer specifically made for hydroponics and follow the directions on the label -- for example Dyna-Gro 9-3-6.

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pikkenix

You mean like a pup without any roots? Everywhere I read it says the plant you put into hydro should be rootbound...

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Tytaylor77

I know nothing about hydro. However the markings on your plant in soil are a perfect sign of overwatering. Not sure if that helped. Maybe some type of problem with the water not having enough Oxygen? Or the roots not getting the oxygen?

Good luck!
I know I have seen pics and posts of many members growing bananas in hydro over the years. Maybe one of them will chime in.

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chris_zx2

When you drastically change a plants environment it needs to adapt. When you go from inside to outside and there is drastic change in sun temperature and wind often times the old leaves will die and new leaves will emerge ready for those conditions. The same goes for roots, when you change the roots from soil to hydro the roots will die and thus the symptoms of over watering / under watering. What I believe Richard was recommending is start with a pup so that it can adapt to it's environment immediately. This exact thing happens with aquarium plants. Most aquarium plants are grown in hydro because there is more co2 in the air than water. Then people buy these plants put them in their tanks and they do badly before they get better.
The key at this point is don't do much with the plant, no changes and hopefully it will survive the adaptation.

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pikkenix

Great reply Chris!
I'll just wait and see what happends, Thank you.

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luisport

Hi! Just to let you know that my SDC is growing well in a big pot out in street.

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edwmax

I can follow this. ... so some misting a couple of times per day and folar feeding during the first two week should lessen the transplant shock, and strengthen the plant to speed new 'hydro' root growth. ... Misting and folar feeding has proven beneficial when transplanting bananas while the roots acclimate to the new soil conditions.

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pikkenix

Will try some foliar feeding. Thank you so much for your suggestion! Think these kind of tips should be sticky somewhere in the hydrosection...

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Richard

No. If I dig up a pup and it's missing roots -- I discard it.

I meant: start your plant in one culture and keep it there.

DON'T foliar feed a hydroponics plant with anything containing urea nitrogen.

Indoor hydroponics for one or a few plants of a crop is mainly a fad -- esp. for people without a budget. It's basically a way to sell hardware, and publications that tout hydroponics are very pleased with the numerous paid advertisements.

In commercial agriculture we do it as a means of scaling costs for large production. The break even point is about 1000 linear feet.

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pikkenix

Thank you Richard.
I know I cannot use urea with hydroponics, byt why. What happends when urea is applied?

Not trying hydroponics to save money.

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Lokalrunde

The Problem with urea is that it first rises PH wenn bacteria convert it to NH4.
Wenn NH4 is converted to NO2, it reduces the PH.
Plants dont like often changig PH.
Also high ammounts of NO2 are not good.
So a hydroponics fertilizer usaly use a lot of NO3.

Your plant looks like the roots does not work.
So maybee roots are dying and plant needs to build new.
Happens often when u put plants out of soil into hydro.
Spraying water on the leefs can help.

These clay pebbles usaly push the PH to 7,5+.
So not the best choice for bananas.

cincinnana

Just tossing this out....

I have done this number of times with a few different plants, with mixed results
What happens is predictable.
Here is a snapshot of what happens in your substrate.

A plant will shed its terrestrial roots and create new roots that will adapt to the hydroponic environment.
Light is diminished also which does not help.

During this period your plant does not have the root structure to support its health and the amount of leaves. Your plant slowly fails.

But , once the plant adapts to the hydro environment the roots will flourish and the plants health will improve.

When moving a plant from soil to hydro all those leaves are now a liability ....trim them off.
You have no root structure to support the leaves until they adjust to hydro therefore they will slowly die.

Expect 60+- days for your plant to sort itself out.

Using hydro balls as well as perlite is acceptable.
There is a lot of positive and negative info on the web about the perfect substrate....
I have used both with no issues with either.

Bottom line ....use what you can afford.

Here are some pics where the terrestrial roots have rotted off and new hydro roots have slowly replaced them.
Unfortunately I did not take pics of the plants root system prior to start.

Once the plants had roots my outdoor grow season was over, and I successfully potted them in a peat moss and perlite mix.

Here are some before and after pics.
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Richard

... there is no bacteria in the soiless environment to make the nitrogen available, so it just sits there damaging plant tissues.

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cincinnana

Bump....Pikkenix, has you plant sorted itself out yet?
Actually, there are some good posts before this one which answer your question

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pikkenix

Thanks for asking. After a few weeks it started growing again. Growing slow, but at least growing.
The leaves however are strange. Very stiff and crisp. Easily broken. Dunno why...

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cincinnana

For me it took 20-35 days for the plant to sort itself out..I am debating to put the plant under lights for the sake of an informative post..

Apparently no one has started thread about hydro and completed it...

I think it just takes toooooo long!

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pikkenix

Are your experience it takes longer to bloom in hydro?

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cincinnana

I have minimal expierience in hydroponic bananas and have not been growing them long enough to see if i can bloom one.
After 2.5 years I transitioned back to a soilless mix.

I can grow roots and leaves but that is about it so far.
So I cannot answer that one.

I am sure someone in the forums has the answer.

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