Greenhouse

kaczercat · 01-26-2017, 04:45 PM

There have been a few members on here on there interested in the greenhouse. I have finally decided to make a greenhouse thread. It's 8ft x 9ft and around 7.5 feet tall. So far I've been able to use it year round for various plant that are actively growing. I do have a few things that are completely dormant like bougainvilleas, cannas, ginger, and bananas. The only trouble is raised beds were never put in as containers are not nearly as good. Raised beds will be a spring job for sure. The night temps must be around 40-45F. Hope this gives you some inspiration that yes it can be done! Thanks for checking this out.

37.667910 · 01-26-2017, 06:42 PM

Very nice!
Do you have a heat source in there?

kaczercat · 01-26-2017, 09:23 PM

Thanks! A small heater and a fan that circulates

a.hulva@coxinet.net · 01-28-2017, 01:36 PM

Heating would sure help.

Hammocked Banana · 01-28-2017, 03:08 PM

Looks amazing Matt. What type of haskap do you have? Do you have 2 varieties to pollenate?

subsonicdrone · 01-28-2017, 04:10 PM

single layer of poly?

kaczercat · 01-28-2017, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammocked Banana

Looks amazing Matt. What type of haskap do you have? Do you have 2 varieties to pollenate?

Thanks Brady! Yes borealis I think and something indigo. I've neglected these for some years.( I got them for free from a nursery I worked for) I won't be getting any more fruit just the blooms. The other, planted in the ground doesn't look like it made it through the hot summer. Should have watered it well into Oct-Nov

oh well they will be replaced with something else this year.

kaczercat · 01-28-2017, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by subsonicdrone

single layer of poly?

double
next year it'll be better insulated

subsonicdrone · 01-28-2017, 04:58 PM

what do you plan to change for next season?

how are the layers separated?

Kat2 · 01-28-2017, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by subsonicdrone

single layer of poly?

My question also. It seems great minds desire a few more details. Hey, you started this thread, Matt! I tried one (single layer and less polished) when I lived in MD--hot zone 7. No heat but it did allow me to start seedlings 6 weeks sooner. Alas mine was not in an area protected from cold spring winds; it appears that yours is more "nestled". Is it? (No, I don't need even a hoophouse here; I could probably use a summer structure that involves shade cloth but instead I'm learning my sun/shade patterns involving my big and biggesh trees.)

kaczercat · 01-28-2017, 05:06 PM

I will be adding boards of insulation. I've seen it before its silver half an inch thick or so. The layers are not separated but next time I re do the plastic I will keep that in mind. I know it would bump the night temp up a few degrees.

subsonicdrone · 01-28-2017, 05:16 PM

i am not pro at this
you may want to look it up for more detail
you may be able to buy a small fan, make a small hole and direct air between the layers

maybe something like this?
4 in. Duct Booster Fan | Princess Auto
costs more than i remembered... maybe they were on sale at some point
should be able to get a cheap one with some shopping around
but look it up for people who have real experience

subsonicdrone · 01-28-2017, 05:23 PM

i thought youre plants looked great btw
mine were inside and looking like they were dying back and yours were still nice and green

kaczercat · 01-28-2017, 05:32 PM

Kat I wish mine was more nestled then it may look. It stands in front a row of trees that run north-south about 50 feet in length. Other then that it's all open.
lucky zone 7, sounds like you had decent success with one layer

kaczercat · 01-28-2017, 05:39 PM

Thanks subsonicdrone, Oh I wish I had known about those fans while putting this thing together. otherwise I liked Mark's idea layered put pvc, plastic, pvc, plastic.

subsonicdrone · 01-28-2017, 05:40 PM

why not put the haskap in the ground outside somewhere? i thought they were super cold hardy?
i was going to buy some this season on the recommendation of my neighbour but didnt get around to it

subsonicdrone · 01-28-2017, 05:42 PM

maybe even some dollarama pool noodles between the poly
i am guessing it would be hard to do at this point

yes like another one just the same but slightly bigger

do you have a max min thermometer in there?
what has youre low been
pretty mild this year too that helps

kaczercat · 01-28-2017, 06:46 PM

They're very different and after trying the fruit, I was not a fan. They were free so I took them haha letting it ride out it's last spring. Still nice to see the yellow blooms soon to come this time of year.

If I plan on doing another layer this year I might actually do the pool noodle idea sounds the cheapest yet still effective. Most of this month was raining off and on. today we got some snow. The mild temps have helped. Where are you located?
I am only using an old thermometer, the one you see in the second picture. I go out sometimes around 12-1 am If I remember and check temp or go out at 7 am and see what it got down to. I will have to invest in a digital one like what you are talking about.

for the few weeks of rainy mild weather it stayed around 48-50F
Recently in the last week back into the low 40's

Hammocked Banana · 01-28-2017, 06:47 PM

I have Aurora as well and use honeybee as a pollinator. Indeed they are insanely hardy, mine have survived several nights days below -30C. They have a very interesting taste.

Instead of coving the greenhouse with insulation sheets, which would block light (but are great for wintering palms), I would recommend using a small squirrel cage blower to inflate the space between the layers. I couldn't see the fan recommend in the link from Mark, but if you search "double layer poly greenhouse squirrel fan" you will find lots of options. It would not require much maintenance to install, just cutting a small hole in the inner layer of poly and some tuck tape. You could probably achieve a good 6" of gap between the layers. It's incredible how much insulation this dead space would provide.

Hammocked Banana · 01-28-2017, 06:48 PM

PS haskaps are a bit tart, not the biggest fan off the bush....But it you bake with them, they are hard to beat.

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kaczercat kaczercat's Photo Gallery Location: Southern ON Find me on the map! Zone: 5b 9b Name: Matt Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,874 BananaBucks : 225,194 Feedback: 3 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,116 Times Was Thanked 2,111 Times in 750 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 11 Times	Re: Greenhouse I will be adding boards of insulation. I've seen it before its silver half an inch thick or so. The layers are not separated but next time I re do the plastic I will keep that in mind. I know it would bump the night temp up a few degrees. __________________ Matt

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subsonicdrone Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,343 BananaBucks : 23,146 Feedback: 3 / 100% Said "Thanks" 4,716 Times Was Thanked 1,897 Times in 656 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Greenhouse i am not pro at this you may want to look it up for more detail you may be able to buy a small fan, make a small hole and direct air between the layers maybe something like this? 4 in. Duct Booster Fan \| Princess Auto costs more than i remembered... maybe they were on sale at some point should be able to get a cheap one with some shopping around but look it up for people who have real experience Last edited by subsonicdrone : 01-28-2017 at 05:22 PM.

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subsonicdrone Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,343 BananaBucks : 23,146 Feedback: 3 / 100% Said "Thanks" 4,716 Times Was Thanked 1,897 Times in 656 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Greenhouse i thought youre plants looked great btw mine were inside and looking like they were dying back and yours were still nice and green

01-28-2017, 05:32 PM	#14 (permalink)
kaczercat kaczercat's Photo Gallery Location: Southern ON Find me on the map! Zone: 5b 9b Name: Matt Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,874 BananaBucks : 225,194 Feedback: 3 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,116 Times Was Thanked 2,111 Times in 750 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 11 Times	Re: Greenhouse Kat I wish mine was more nestled then it may look. It stands in front a row of trees that run north-south about 50 feet in length. Other then that it's all open. lucky zone 7, sounds like you had decent success with one layer __________________ Matt

01-28-2017, 05:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
kaczercat kaczercat's Photo Gallery Location: Southern ON Find me on the map! Zone: 5b 9b Name: Matt Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,874 BananaBucks : 225,194 Feedback: 3 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,116 Times Was Thanked 2,111 Times in 750 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 11 Times	Re: Greenhouse Thanks subsonicdrone, Oh I wish I had known about those fans while putting this thing together. otherwise I liked Mark's idea layered put pvc, plastic, pvc, plastic. __________________ Matt

01-28-2017, 05:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
subsonicdrone Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,343 BananaBucks : 23,146 Feedback: 3 / 100% Said "Thanks" 4,716 Times Was Thanked 1,897 Times in 656 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Greenhouse why not put the haskap in the ground outside somewhere? i thought they were super cold hardy? i was going to buy some this season on the recommendation of my neighbour but didnt get around to it

01-28-2017, 05:42 PM	#17 (permalink)
subsonicdrone Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,343 BananaBucks : 23,146 Feedback: 3 / 100% Said "Thanks" 4,716 Times Was Thanked 1,897 Times in 656 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Greenhouse maybe even some dollarama pool noodles between the poly i am guessing it would be hard to do at this point yes like another one just the same but slightly bigger do you have a max min thermometer in there? what has youre low been pretty mild this year too that helps Last edited by subsonicdrone : 01-28-2017 at 06:02 PM.

01-28-2017, 06:46 PM	#18 (permalink)
kaczercat kaczercat's Photo Gallery Location: Southern ON Find me on the map! Zone: 5b 9b Name: Matt Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,874 BananaBucks : 225,194 Feedback: 3 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,116 Times Was Thanked 2,111 Times in 750 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 11 Times	Re: Greenhouse They're very different and after trying the fruit, I was not a fan. They were free so I took them haha letting it ride out it's last spring. Still nice to see the yellow blooms soon to come this time of year. If I plan on doing another layer this year I might actually do the pool noodle idea sounds the cheapest yet still effective. Most of this month was raining off and on. today we got some snow. The mild temps have helped. Where are you located? I am only using an old thermometer, the one you see in the second picture. I go out sometimes around 12-1 am If I remember and check temp or go out at 7 am and see what it got down to. I will have to invest in a digital one like what you are talking about. for the few weeks of rainy mild weather it stayed around 48-50F Recently in the last week back into the low 40's __________________ Matt

01-28-2017, 06:47 PM	#19 (permalink)
Hammocked Banana Relaxin Under the Nanners Location: Toronto, ON and Peterborough, ON Find me on the map! Zone: 6a and 5a respectively Name: Brady Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 958 BananaBucks : 54,626 Feedback: 2 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,178 Times Was Thanked 1,156 Times in 555 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 30 Times	Re: Greenhouse I have Aurora as well and use honeybee as a pollinator. Indeed they are insanely hardy, mine have survived several nights days below -30C. They have a very interesting taste. Instead of coving the greenhouse with insulation sheets, which would block light (but are great for wintering palms), I would recommend using a small squirrel cage blower to inflate the space between the layers. I couldn't see the fan recommend in the link from Mark, but if you search "double layer poly greenhouse squirrel fan" you will find lots of options. It would not require much maintenance to install, just cutting a small hole in the inner layer of poly and some tuck tape. You could probably achieve a good 6" of gap between the layers. It's incredible how much insulation this dead space would provide.

01-28-2017, 06:48 PM	#20 (permalink)
Hammocked Banana Relaxin Under the Nanners Location: Toronto, ON and Peterborough, ON Find me on the map! Zone: 6a and 5a respectively Name: Brady Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 958 BananaBucks : 54,626 Feedback: 2 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,178 Times Was Thanked 1,156 Times in 555 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 30 Times	Re: Greenhouse PS haskaps are a bit tart, not the biggest fan off the bush....But it you bake with them, they are hard to beat.

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