ArchAngeL01

Hi, i was wandering if anyone could help me with my newest palms.........anybody with exsperience with these two ,it is so apreciated that you share with me your exsperience good or bad

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Tog Tan

Hi AA, as far as I can gather your Indian Cliff Date Palm is most probably the Phoenix ruplicola whose origin is the foothills of the Himalayas. This is considered the most beautiful of its family and looks very much like a feathery coconut palm. It has moderate frost tolerant and is a fast grower. I have quite a few of this palm.

As for the Toddy Date Palm, do you know the scientific name? Common names are misleading and I can't help you here.

I am a serious palm collector and I have over 100 species of rare palms besides the common ones. You can talk palms with me anytime!

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brydon1

Hi Tog,

I'm not sure but I guess Arch got the same palms at me since he just lives about 45 min away from us.

I got mine on sale at HD. On the tag of the palm it says

Cold Hardy plam
TODDY DATE PLAM
phoenix sylvestris

I tried to find some pics on the phoenix sylvestris but the ones I have sure don't look what I saw online.

As soon as the Thunderstorm passes I get some pics of mine.

Any information you could give me on this palm would be great.

Thanks

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Little Rat

Tog Tan

Ok, Lil Rat, thanks and gotcha! This is a very good sprouter as you have noticed since you people have already germinated it.

This palm comes from India and so far there are basically 3 forms offered in sds in the market. The first is the normal tall plant with a very dense and plumose crown. An easy growing palm even for the temperate areas. The leaves do show a slight blueish hue when matured. From seed, it takes a while for the trunk to emerge but once it does, it grows at a steady pace. I find it most attractive when at a trunk height of 10ft which shows the dense crown very well.

The other 2 forms are a stouter trunked and shorter version. The difference between these 2 forms are that one have the regular slighty kidney shaped sds while the other has shorter roundish sds. Being a shorter plant, the trunk takes a longer time to form.

The nominal form is a very common landscape plant where I come from. I hope this helps.

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brydon1

Tog, thing you misunderstood me ....no seeds...bought in a pot. As soon as it lets me I upload some pics.

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brydon1

This is the tag on the palm


And here is the Palm

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ArchAngeL01

yess i got them at hd and i got the 15gallon for 79$(both each) the scientific name is pheonix sylvestris for the toddy date ..........i have some pix ,i will upload them later ,and your right! the rupicola looks just like the coconut i love it!.<3 let me know!!

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southlatropical

You may want to plant the rupicola in a protected spot. They are more sensitive to frost than most of the other Phoenix palms. I have a small one but doubt it will make it in the long run.

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ArchAngeL01

here is a pic of him!!!,the sylvestris is behind him ..............they will be planted on south wall soon (reaches the top of a 9 foot overhang for scale)

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ArchAngeL01

here is my silver european fan

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NotherNana

GUESS WHO HAS SOME (VERY FRESH) SEEDS TO TRADE???? Me! And the seeds themselves look almost like a piece of jewlery, almost don't want to grow them....And I'm very good at growing foxtail, so could also give some instructions.....if someone in here is in the mood to give it a try, I'd sure like to trade for some banana corms...
To help original poster: They take about 3 weeks to come up from fresh, fruit-cleaned seed. My experience is that laying them very close to the surface of a lava rock dust, sphagnum peat, also dust, and sand mix with vermiculite soil helps germination. The tree itself is normally found in rocky outcroppings, so does benefit from rock dust in it's growing medium. I treat all my seed with superthrive to get them started, and have more success and lose less seed in this way. The tree is hardy, and a medium-fast grower after you get it up.
Gino

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NotherNana

Pictures, not that good...I had to wait for sunrise to take them. But will try anyway. The first one is how I plant the foxtail seed, which I laid out on the 2nd of this month. The foxtail sends down a very lengthly taproot, so I use Pepsi liter bottle to start seed in so not to affect the root. I transfer very quickly after seed sprout. We recycle everything, so go with me on this. (No George Bush supporters live here) I will update when she sprouts. Second is blurry, so sorry. i wanted to show all how absolutely beautiful the seed pod itself really is, quite large, heavy, lovely
(Be an artist; and imagine the detail of deep grooves cut by nature herself into the horizontal movement of pod I know 2nd picture is bad) I cleaned the pulpous orangish, yellow flesh off of seed by hand; after sun soaking in rainwater for 3 days. Then soak the cleaned seed in rainwater I collect with a touch of superthrive, for about 10 days before sowing out in above/top, picture.
Gino

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Tog Tan

Thanks for the pix Lil Rat! I germinate all my foreign palms from seeds. Local ones, I hunt them in the jungle. I just had a PM from AA, I told him/her we can start a new thread like Palm Lovers' Talk if you are keen. Then we can keep at it all day and drive the 'naner nuts, nuts! If you are interested, I can start it any time. I will respond to any questions on tropical palms.

As for both the Phoenix spp, I grow the seedlings in the full hot tropical sun but with daily watering except during the heavy rains. They are growing very well though as usual slow till they pick up size.

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brydon1

Definetly keen on that one .... thanks for taken the time

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NotherNana

Thanks xavierdlc61887.

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ArchAngeL01

anybody know anything about the bismarkia and it's hardiness??

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bepah

Bismarcjia nobilis likes dry heat. They may survive in Ft. Myers, but not thrive. Their cold hardiness may be 25F but only mature specimens can make it. The fronds die around 27-28 but the tree recovers.

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jack hagenaars

The well known date palm is usually Phoenix canneriensis(Spelling?). It is not hardy in our zone 8 climate here....too wet in the winter...but it is hardy in a dry zone 9 area.

ArchAngeL01

we have many canary island dates here pheonix canariensis the ones on the south dont defoliate at all but in north Myrtle beach they burn a little bit but it's not a problem ...im talking about pheonix sylevestris and pheonix rupicola

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