shade tolerant fruiting plants?

venturabananas · 02-29-2012, 01:05 AM

I'm looking for fruiting plants that are shade tolerant and not too tall. I have a spot in the back of my yard that is shaded during summer by the neighbor's trees, but is fairly sunny in winter, when the angle of the sun drops. I'm at a loss for something that will reliably produce fruit in this situation. Any suggestions?

barnetmill · 02-29-2012, 01:14 AM

Very good question. I am also looking for some cultivars that will produce in the shade. I hope there is something will grow in the shade other than mushrooms.

Jack Daw · 02-29-2012, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by barnetmill

Very good question. I am also looking for some cultivars that will produce in the shade. I hope there is something will grow in the shade other than mushrooms.

Still, I would like to start growing some mushrooms this season. But have to read a lot about it first.

Richard · 02-29-2012, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by venturabananas

I'm looking for fruiting plants that are shade tolerant and not too tall. I have a spot in the back of my yard that is shaded during summer by the neighbor's trees, but is fairly sunny in winter, when the angle of the sun drops. I'm at a loss for something that will reliably produce fruit in this situation. Any suggestions?

Fruit production requires energy and ... well, that's a problem in shade.

Beets and/or Chards would do well there year-round.

Broccoli is likely to work there in the 2nd part of our "winter", and Kale would work there year-round.

Peas would work there provided the shade doesn't arrive too early.

sunfish · 02-29-2012, 09:29 AM

Shade Tolerant Fruit Plants « Lawrence Fruit Tree Project – Lawrence, Kansas

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barnetmill · 02-29-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Fruit production requires energy and ... well, that's a problem in shade.

Beets and/or Chards would do well there year-round.

Broccoli is likely to work there in the 2nd part of our "winter", and Kale would work there year-round.

Peas would work there provided the shade doesn't arrive too early.

Well at least somethings will grow and I do need to start growing vegetables. I notice what wild persimmons do is grow tall enough to get some sunlight by getting above the understory. But they grow a lot faster in full sunlight for sure.

venturabananas · 02-29-2012, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Fruit production requires energy and ... well, that's a problem in shade.

Beets and/or Chards would do well there year-round.

Broccoli is likely to work there in the 2nd part of our "winter", and Kale would work there year-round.

Peas would work there provided the shade doesn't arrive too early.

I guess, to be accurate, I'd have to say that there is bright indirect light during summer. The canopy over the spot keeps direct sun off the spot in summer. The 50-year-old jade plants in the spot seem happy and are flowering away. If only they made tasty fruit!

I was hoping for a permanent, perennial, shrub sized, fruiting plant. Tony's link had some good suggestions, most of which, unfortunately, won't be happy in coastal So. Cal. I guess I could try blackberries, but it seems like they need a lot of attention from the pruning to keep them in bounds perspective.

Richard · 02-29-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by venturabananas

I was hoping for a permanent, perennial, shrub sized, fruiting plant. Tony's link had some good suggestions, most of which, unfortunately, won't be happy in coastal So. Cal. I guess I could try blackberries, but it seems like they need a lot of attention from the pruning to keep them in bounds perspective.

I notice that blackberries and other Rubus will grow in shade, but the majority of fruit production is just outside the drip line (in the sun) of the over-canopy. You might have noticed this in forests.

Given the partial shade, Dragon Fruit would work, provided you are in 10a not 9b. There are others ... PM me as a reminder as I have to take off to move 10 pallets of soil.

Dalmatiansoap · 02-29-2012, 02:58 PM

Pindo palm?

Bob3 · 02-29-2012, 05:58 PM

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I'm looking for fruiting plants that are shade tolerant and not too tall. I have a spot in the back of my yard that is shaded during summer by the neighbor's trees, but is fairly sunny in winter, when the angle of the sun drops. I'm at a loss for something that will reliably produce fruit in this situation. Any suggestions?

How about Loquats? Most of ours are in at least partial shade, as well as on the North side of the house.
When we were shipping them to the Gulf, to replace shrubs/bushes/hedges lost in Katrina, some of them were grown as a hedge, underneath taller "cousins" for a fast-growing windbreak, they did OK being shade-bound for the most part.

jeffreyp · 02-29-2012, 08:35 PM

elderberry, pawpaw and even some bananas! I think if you consider plants that would normally grow in forest conditions that might give you some hints or ideas of what's possible.

dboo · 03-01-2012, 12:39 AM

My recommendation would be naranjilla.

The foliage is stunning and will become a talking point of your garden, i've grown them and have found them to enjoy warm, moist shaded conditions best so i think sun in winter, shade in summer would be fantastic. the fruits are small and i only got small crops but boy are they jam packed with sweet-tart goodness

Naranjilla - Solanum quitoense

cheers
dany
PS i grew them in newcastle, Australia (coastal)(don't know how that stacks up against your climate)

Richard · 03-01-2012, 01:05 AM

Naranjilla would definitely be interesting. I am growing one here in a somewhat sheltered position but otherwise full sun. It is a real looker. It flowers constantly and about 1/2 of them set. The fruits are a little larger than a golf ball. I have heard that in the tropics the fruit ripens in 60 days, but here it is 14 months.

Also consider fruiting members of the Rhododendron family, including southern blueberries and the native California Huckleberry.

If you want to get carried away you can try "5 flavor fruit" -- the magnolia vine. One Green World in Oregon carries a self-fertile hybrid "Eastern Prince". It needs the summer partial shade as it is native to northern China.

Surinam Cherry will work there but the fruit production will be impacted. Java Plum is also a consideration.

trebor · 03-01-2012, 06:47 AM

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Still, I would like to start growing some mushrooms this season. But have to read a lot about it first.

Shroomery - Magic Mushrooms (Shrooms) Demystified that a pretty good place to read about mushrooms I'm lucky I got a friend who grows them . every once in a wile . I been toying with doing them myself and just got some mason jars 2 days ago . So I think I am going to start

But I need to get my chickens all set up and then play with mushrooms.. Yes Mushroom grow in the shade and the best production is in cooler weather lows nights in high 60's is good .. There are some great dvds on how to grow and do everything relating to mushrooms Let's Grow Mushrooms! by Marc R Keith - Let's Grow Mushrooms if you get his you need nothing more .

gaberoo · 03-01-2012, 05:10 PM

Can paw paws tolerate southeastern US climate?

gaberoo · 03-01-2012, 05:12 PM

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elderberry, pawpaw and even some bananas! I think if you consider plants that would normally grow in forest conditions that might give you some hints or ideas of what's possible.

Have you grown paw-paw in South Florida?

sunfish · 03-01-2012, 05:17 PM

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Can paw paws tolerate southeastern US climate?

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HoaNui · 03-01-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard

Broccoli is likely to work there in the 2nd part of our "winter", and Kale would work there year-round.

Peas would work there provided the shade doesn't arrive too early.

Nice to see kale mentioned there. For some reason it has lost its popularity here. Having said that I have a great tasting red Russian kale that I grow in the shade.

Bob3 · 03-01-2012, 06:19 PM

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Can paw paws tolerate southeastern US climate?

YEP! There are even a few cultivars that are specific to the SE US.

Asimina triloba. (10) ASIM-23. Packet: $3.00
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gaberoo · 03-01-2012, 09:35 PM

Excellent! Thanks guys. I think I'll give paw paw a try here in Miami (Redlands to be exact).

Does anyone know if anyone is actually cultivating the fruit in South Florida? Redlands? Homestead? I'd like to buy some fresh paw paw to give it a try (I've heard it tastes really good).

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