Richard

I guess that begs the question: Does significant height alone qualify a plant to be a tree?

If your answer is yes, then in the tropics nearly every plant is a tree.

If your answer is no, then what other qualifiications (a property, growth, structure, or appearance) would qualify a plant to be a tree?

As a particular example, would a "palm tree" meet these qualifications?

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JP

There is absolutely no resemblance between a musa and a tree. As I wrote in another thread, the french dictionnary clearly distinguishes the tree from a plant, a bush or even an herb. To me, arborescent should mean the resemblance of a tree in all it's qualifications. Descriptions in english dictionnaries are often vague and leave to much room for interpretation. They should be re-written to be more precise and accurate. But hey, that's my opinion...

Richard

I don't think there's anything vague about it at all!

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JP

Lol! Me neither!

edwmax

I'm not redefining the term 'tree' .... tree: b : a shrub or herb of arborescent form <a banana tree> from Merriam-Webster. Height and size is not used to define a tree.

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Richard

I know you're not. The discussion is about M-W's definition:

in which they further define

Now you have stated that

So what other qualifications (a property, growth, structure, or appearance) would qualify a plant to be a tree?

As a particular example, would a "palm tree" meet these qualifications?

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sputinc7

Wikipedia...

Although "tree" is a term of common parlance, there is no universally recognised precise definition of what a tree is, either botanically or in common language.[2] In its broadest sense, a tree is any plant with the general form of an elongated stem, or trunk, which supports the photosynthetic leaves or branches at some distance above the ground.[3] Trees are also typically defined by height,[4] with smaller plants from 0.5 to 10 m (1.6 to 32.8 ft) being called shrubs,[5] so the minimum height of a tree is only loosely defined.[4] Large herbaceous plants such as papaya and bananas are trees in this broad sense.[2][6]
A commonly applied narrower definition is that a tree has a woody trunk formed by secondary growth, meaning that the trunk thickens each year by growing outwards, in addition to the primary upwards growth from the growing tip.[4][7] Under such a definition, herbaceous plants such as palms, bananas and papayas are not considered trees regardless of their height, growth form or stem girth. Certain monocots may be considered trees under a slightly looser definition;[8] while the Joshua tree, bamboos and palms do not have secondary growth and never produce true wood with growth rings,[9][10] they may produce "pseudo-wood" by lignifying cells formed by primary growth.[11]

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Varieties I supposedly bought: Manzano, Cavendish, Blue Java, Sweetheart, and Gros Michel.
What it seems I actually have: Brazilian, Cavendish, Namwah, Dwarf Red, Gros Michel, Pisang Ceylon, Veinte Cohol and SH 3640, and American Goldfinger. FHIA 1, Paggi and FHIA 17... Always room for one more.

sputinc7

That being said, Who cares what someone else calls it? We all know what they mean. Should we make newcomers feel like idiots right away? I still call it a bunch instead of a raceme... Man am I stupid, huh?

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Varieties I supposedly bought: Manzano, Cavendish, Blue Java, Sweetheart, and Gros Michel.
What it seems I actually have: Brazilian, Cavendish, Namwah, Dwarf Red, Gros Michel, Pisang Ceylon, Veinte Cohol and SH 3640, and American Goldfinger. FHIA 1, Paggi and FHIA 17... Always room for one more.

CraigSS

You are all wrong. A tree is something a kid can climb and enjoy hanging upside-down yelling at their mother while she has a heart attach fearing they will fall.

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edwmax

Haha ... I can live with this definition. But I do find it hard to get my little goat (Kid) to climb the 'hat tree' in the hall. ...

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JBijl

tree: a woody, perennial crop with a girth of a minimum of 90 centimetres on 1.3 metres height above the ground level. In case of meerstammigheid, the cross section of the thickest tribe.

Snarkie

The word aborescent clearly defines itself. "Scent" meaning similar, resembling or akin to; much like the Greek word "meta". Therefor, the word "arborescent" definitively means a plant that resembles a tree EG: a Joshua tree or a palm tree, but is not woody or lacks other defining characteristics that silvilculturally define it as a true tree. In the silvicultural world, this is known as a pseudo tree.

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Snarkie

I produce pseudo-wood too. I'm hoping those Test-X 180 Ignite pills I ordered online will fix that though...

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HMelendez

LOL!........

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CraigSS

By that definition some of us might qualify as a tree.

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beam2050

wow. this conversation to my count involved 3 threads. more fun than a pocket full of crackers. Richard was trying to lead you to it. GROWTH, bananas are comparatively short lived. probably the reason they are not a tree.

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JP

Lol! Sometimes beer is the best option...

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Alcohol makes it worse. Started the Test-X again, along with Fenugreek as a supplement, and once a week I take an herbal capsule from the adult store that lasts for three days in and of itself. Got my energy back, started working out again, getting a better night's sleep on less time (5 hours instead of 12), lost 3 pounds the first week, got my book-writing groove back and my cat's been doing chin-ups. Thank you, new girlfriend!

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cincinnana

Fellas.

I am glad y'all did a tree post

I keep on getting my chain saws stuck.....

Am I cutting the wrong way???


Am I doing this all wrong..

Should I try more saws .
Is the soil too wet.
Too much n p k?
Youtube says julienne cut!
More cowbell?

Trying to make a good impression on my gf.

First time lumberjack.


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